Something new I have discovered!

[Tiberon]

Now this isnt a scientific rule of thumb or anything....but I have come to notice something in my past two grows.

It all starts with when you take clones. Try this next time....
take your clones of a budding plant at 4 weeks....I did 6 but 4 will work.

Anyways....do your usual rooting technique under 18 or 24 hr light. Veg as usual....but youll notice the calyxs' still appearing as she vegs....as well as new vertical growth. The calyxs' will swell in veg as well and they will get really shiny with crystals.
Then after the proper veg time...throw into flowering for the alotted time....and essentially what you have is a form of double budding. All the new buds will grow as normal and all the original immature buds from the clone stage will have really swelled and be ready to smoke if you want. I let them go all the way until the top buds are done.

What you have then....is an extremely potent and swollen plant from the waist down. Like I said this is the second run that i have done this way and Ive had an easy 30% increase in bud at the end.

Anyone following me?....I think I remember an old high times article on this by kyle kushman....he reffered to it as double budding. Im sold on it.

Its worth a try for some of ya!

[Weedgrl]

The first(and only...lol) clones I cut were about 4 weeks into 12/12...I do remember noticing how the buds stuck around. About mid flower, I cut them off and smoked em. It was good smoke...got me stoned :)

[SFC]

That is interesting Tiberon. I remember my vey first attempt at cloning was a full flower outdoor plant that I took clones from. To this day I have not seen a plant produce such dense nuggets. I am going to wait to take clones this time until well into flower,and see if you are not correct:thumbsup:

[rtyree]

Funny but I am trying a whole tray of 4" clones that were all tops that were 3 weeks into flower. I pulled 49 clones all budding to see what they would do. I here that if it is not a stable strain they can hermie real easy and the yeild is often times low but WTF

[SFC]

Rtyree I have come to the conclusion that either the strain is predispositioned to some hermapradism,or there is a light leak, but cloning has no bearing on whether or not she pops bananas that I have seen. As far as yield goes I have taken more clones from flowering plants than from veg, but on my last grow I made it a point to take the clones from veg,and honestly I am confident that it didn't make enough of a difference in generation one to be concerned about. Now will it have a negative effect on generation 2,3,4,5,6,? I cannot say, as I never keep cloning one strain that long. But I have given away a few clones,and I know of at least one strain that has to be on generation 6 at least by now,and is still producing well.

As growers sometimes we over think,and over analyze until we become totally confused. Just grow,and don't sweat every minute detail. I'll be the first to say I have grown some awesome bud from flowered clones. Matter of fact I am confident even Tiberon can back me up on the quality;)

[Tiberon]

Ive noticed NO hermis caused by taking a clone that is in flower. Ive done it many times....just never more than 2 weeks....until recently. The only downside I can see is it takes a lil bit of time for the clone to get back into veg mode.

But there are so many budsites and calyxs that remain to swell even under a 24 light regiment...when you throw it into flower you have a plant that has some nice lil buds at 4-6 weeks and by the time the plant is....you have bottom buds that are close to 12 weeks where as the new buds have had only 8 weeks. I have a perfect example of it growing in veg right now. Maybe I will document...with pics. Although Im not very good with finishing these grow pics...I will see what I can do.

[Tiberon]

Ok i snapped this photo.
It was taken 6 weeks in flower on a ak47 and has been vegging for about a month. Some of those calyxs are swollen like the will have seeds in them. Im going to put it into flower tonight. Those buds will look done in about 4 weeks but i will take this plant way further than that...like 9-10 weeks....the trichs are so thick it looks like fuzzy mold(its not)....straight up trichs....it makes for a really hashy tasting smoke.
http://www.420genetics.com/gallery/files/1/4/h034.jpg

[Captu4ik]

Very interesting ... I haven't used clones for a few grows, but will definately bear this in mind. Peace and health -- Captu4ik.

[nogoodnamesleft]

its the high level of phos inthe plant that makesthat happen....take a clone offa plant thats been in flower for a week and it will root quicker and stronger

[Tiberon]

I understand that NGNL, but that is not my intention here.
Thx for browsing:D

[Mr.Wakenbake]

well i just want to throw this info out there...I am currently growing Nirvana WW ....took some clones @ 2 weeks flower...most are fine but the oldest DID in fact grow nuts, on the very lowest stems..

i can post a pic of it if you guys want...but the cutting is def from a female, but it may be just do to nirvana shitty knock off genetics:thumbsup:

I have 4 more established clones in there right now, but off a diff plant..same pack of ww just a diff pheno...they have rooted and are in soil right now...I will let you know the hermie tendencies of these 4 if it happens...

But good luck with the double flowering, cause it sounds interesting:icon_smil

[SFC]

Man I am shocked that your WW are growing nuts. The more I hear of Mirvana seeds the less I will be inclined to ever use them in the future. I have had good luck with Dutch Passion,and Serious Seeds.

[Captu4ik]

The more I hear of Mirvana seeds the less I will be inclined to ever use them in the future.

IME Nirvana seeds are 2nd rate. When I started growing I bought them because they were cheap, in case I screwed up my first grow.

Well, I did screwed up by spending hundreds of dollars on lights,AC,etc., and buying cheap, 2nd rate genetics ! IMO good genetics are the most important factor in growing top-shelf Cannabis (and Nirvana ain't it).


Peace and health -- Captu4ik.

[Mr.Wakenbake]

that's why i will be working on Mandala's stuff in the future;)

Still got 5 clones of the WW and i may keep one as a mom till i get one mom established of the speed queen....or hashberry..we'll see...anyways back to the subject...

and i agree capt...nirvana's genetic's is def CHEAP:eek:

[drayton sawyers]

cause you did

[thunderbird]

Now this isnt a scientific rule of thumb or anything....but I have come to notice something in my past two grows.

It all starts with when you take clones. Try this next time....
take your clones of a budding plant at 4 weeks....I did 6 but 4 will work.

Anyways....do your usual rooting technique under 18 or 24 hr light. Veg as usual....but youll notice the calyxs' still appearing as she vegs....as well as new vertical growth. The calyxs' will swell in veg as well and they will get really shiny with crystals.
Then after the proper veg time...throw into flowering for the alotted time....and essentially what you have is a form of double budding. All the new buds will grow as normal and all the original immature buds from the clone stage will have really swelled and be ready to smoke if you want. I let them go all the way until the top buds are done.

What you have then....is an extremely potent and swollen plant from the waist down. Like I said this is the second run that i have done this way and Ive had an easy 30% increase in bud at the end.

Anyone following me?....I think I remember an old high times article on this by kyle kushman....he reffered to it as double budding. Im sold on it.

Its worth a try for some of ya!
i have done something the same, as i had to move house,so my cloning was done late,about three or four weeks into flower,anyway they took a bit longer to root,then started to grow a bit weird shape wise,now they have gone apeshit and really taken off.will the clones off these be back to normal or the same crazy berserk like thier mums,which i dont mind as they look very happy,i was worried about damp in the new location,but have put air con in the place that used to have a window,and i have so many bubbles in my d.w.c it is like a spa,can you give them to much ,as i grow in tanks not buckets,i have two power heads in each tank,one to churn the fuck out of the mix like a waterfall,one to recirculate,as i have been drip feeding until roots got bigger,and four airstones from two good air pumps in both tubs.
to get back to your thread sorry went off track,they seem to go crazy when cloned in the flower stage,and it may take a bit longer to root,but that suits me as they are ready when the others are finished,so i agree tiberon it was by fault i found out ,but more than happy so far.