Grow room troubles-need info!

[Greenkitty]

I'm sure this doesn't belong here but need help. Please put where it needs to go. Here it is. Went to the rally this weekend and had timer failures. My lights turned off on Fri. and were off until monday morning. Found it that way first thing. Damn, so i get them back on, check it out and seems to be ok. Well the next thing that happens is it didn't turn off for i'm guessing 36 hours. Needless to say that those timers aren't arround anymore. So my question is what effect is this going to have on my plants? I'm at all different stages of growth. 8 plants are at six weeks- 24 plants are at 4 weeks- and just set up 30 in there first week of flower. This is really killing me because i'm going to take a break for a while after these finish up. This all caught me by surprise because everything has been running like clock work for so long. I'm in aero now( gave up the buckets) and this only effected the lights. Everything else went ok. So, whats going to happen now?
Everybody please say a prayer for my AK47-BB-Kali Mist-and shooting star so it doesn't all herm on me. Any info would be great and prayers appreciated.
Thanx, GreenKitty

[nobogart]

obviously you already know, you will see some hermi i would guess maybe not all but the damage has been done keep it in control from here on out and we will hope for the best.

[wawona]

Well, I'll HOPE for ya anyway. good luck

:animbong: wa

[Nesta]

My thoughts and prayers are with you kitty :animbong:

[joe_llama]

I'll pray for the girls to stay girly......that stinks, but I think the damage will be fairly minimal. With this one time thing I doubt more than 10 percent well ever show a male bannana. but as you should know, be looking carefully. and don't neccesarily hack a hermie, it may just be one or two balls.

[Green Goblin]

he said balls :laugh1:











i the green goblin do hereby decree that ur plants shall not even consider turning hermie!

:pimp:

[Tiberon]

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I just pick the bananas off as I see em. But its been awhile since ive seen any.

[nobogart]

off on Fri. and were off until monday morning.

Well the next thing that happens is it didn't turn off for i'm guessing 36 hours.

this was no small light schedule fluctuation so please do let us know how it turns out i would be more optomystic if it hadnt been such long periods of time.
here is sending good thoughts to the girls we sure hope they dont get sexually frustrated.

[Mermaid]

Wow sorry to hear that Kitty! :( Well sendin your girls possitive energy and crossing my fingers that you don't see too many balls. ;)

[annaC]

I'm sure this doesn't belong here but need help. Please put where it needs to go. Here it is. Went to the rally this weekend and had timer failures. My lights turned off on Fri. and were off until monday morning. Found it that way first thing. Damn, so i get them back on, check it out and seems to be ok. Well the next thing that happens is it didn't turn off for i'm guessing 36 hours. Needless to say that those timers aren't arround anymore. So my question is what effect is this going to have on my plants? I'm at all different stages of growth. 8 plants are at six weeks- 24 plants are at 4 weeks- and just set up 30 in there first week of flower. This is really killing me because i'm going to take a break for a while after these finish up. This all caught me by surprise because everything has been running like clock work for so long. I'm in aero now( gave up the buckets) and this only effected the lights. Everything else went ok. So, whats going to happen now?
Everybody please say a prayer for my AK47-BB-Kali Mist-and shooting star so it doesn't all herm on me. Any info would be great and prayers appreciated.
Thanx, GreenKitty


Hi Greenkitty.
I dont think that you will see any effects whatsoever. If you do get a few male pods from the females the don't throw that pollen away, collect it :eek: :D . This is a process called rodalization and that pollen has the potential to be used to make all female seeds. You collect the male pollen sack at the right time and you place that pollen on a unpollinated female and it will produce 99% female seeds. I have done it a couple of times myself. To really induce rodalization you have to inturupt the lighting cycle over a period of time and I don't think your over extentions were even long enough for you to fret over. I have been growing indoors since 1982 and I never use timers. I think this is another sell tactic for product enhancments. The sun sets and rised on a different time every day and plants are a product of the environment that that are raised in. I am never exactly at 12-12 somedays I may be 13-11 and others 11-13 cycle. I don't see any problems with my ladies whatsoever. I went into the hospital and they stayed 12 days in the dark and when I got home they were a little yellow but they were fine and they bounced back within a weeks time. Once again it all depends on your environment, the strains, the cycle that they are in and their ability to handle stress. I run my plants in a veg mode of24-7lights on mode instead of the 18-6 and they never see sleep until the beginning of the bloom stage. If they were in the bloom cycle then all the extra lights on period would do is take them out of the bloom stage. Some growers do this to rejuvinate their plants and get a second grow from them. I understand that some environments are required to have timers and I always suggest a double pole double throw 30 amp heavy duty timer. (a double pole can handle 2 HID lights and these timers are 50US compared to the expensive module controllers that companies offer.To do it properly you would run a 12-2g from your breaker box straight to your heavyduty timer. It would be a dedicated circuit. You would use Ohms law to figure up your total load capacity and then use the correct breaker size but never use a breaker that exceeds the wire size limitations. Preferably a15 to 20amp breaker depending on your line load. The average circuit in a bedroom is ran in #14ga wiring and running a 400watt and up HID system will eat up that circuit pretty quickly. I have seen many a melted timer that was stated to be rated at 15watts but could not handle the total load. When a Hid first ignites it is a monstorus draw. It actually has to ignite the gasses inside the bulb and the cap has a hugh charge on it and that draw will melt a crappy timer. It will also cause your contacts inside the timer to weld shut. If you hit the timer then chances are it will loosen itself but only do it again. I have even seen electromaganetism from llighting loads cause metal strips to stay shut when the plastic spacer shows to be open or on. If you can try to install a heavyduty timer your problems will be solved. If you really wanted to be safe then you could make the breaker a GIF Breaker and if anything ever happened like a water ground fault then the breaker would trip just like the one in your bathroom and kitchen. It is a nice safety feature to have around hydro setups.

sincerely
annaC

[Soprano-Country]

ive been wondering, if a light leak will cause a hermie, what happens with the moon on outdoor grows? does it cause problems?

[annaC]

ive been wondering, if a light leak will cause a hermie, what happens with the moon on outdoor grows? does it cause problems?

A white light leak will cause hermies. I had 12 in a dutch garden hydro setup go hermie in my younger days because of a leak. There are also hidden problems tha some ID growers miss such as timer turning on a power strip that has a red light in it during a lights off cycle while in the bloom stage. That one red light can reflect off mylar and cause chaos while in the bloom cycle. I always test my room before bloom time and the way I do is simply place myself inside the room and lay down on the floor and wait 10 minutes for my eyes to adjust. Look around and the leaks are much more noticable because your eyes are now focused for night time usage.
I have read where soft green lighting does not effect a grow rooms bloom cycle and some growers use a green light to enter into their rooms while dark. You have a very good question when it comes to why doesn't the moon cause hermies? and how does the moon affect the plants. I think that it is not a white light but more of the blues and the plants are a product of their environment and depending on the strain would depend on how many went hermie. I veg and seperate mine and then move them outdoors and don't see the hermie factor at all and I am curious to hear from the big time outdoor growers on how many hermies they see in a growing cycle. This would all be great database material.
Sincerely
annaC

[rangerdanger]

I think people THINK that the moon puts out more light than it does.
I used to grow pot in a light-walled canyon which amplified moonlight and never had a problem.
People also THINK the moon is bigger than it is, thanks to pictures that like show people silloetted by a full moon. The moon is about as big as a quarter held at arm's length (try it). (On the horizon it appears up to 20% larger).

I also believe the unique spectrum of moonlight is something the plants have "adapted" to.

[Tiberon]

I read that the moon puts off green spectrum. Which just so happens, is the spectrum that MJ doesnt respond to.

[llIndigoll]

The moon does not 'let off' any light on its own. All the light seen 'coming from the moon' is actually just sunlight reflected off the surface.

Here's more information about light from the moon:
http://www.earthsky.com/scienceqs/browsefaq.php?f=75
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/moon.htm
http://www.extremescience.com/moon.htm

[Greenkitty]

Thanx Peeps. So far so good. I had one plant that started growing all funky and i took it just as a precation. It was in a bubbler by it self. I'm keeping a close watch on things but it all looks fine for now. Will keep posting my results.

[Heath_Bogenreif]

When it comes to light poisoning extended periods of light are less damaging than interrupted periods of 12 hours dark. Some plants and strains are more sensitive than others and can sprout nanners from the red light off a power strip. I didnt believe it at first either and then I saw it happen. The only buds that got the pods were within a foot of the power strip and the rest of the room was clean.

[Greenkitty]

Well here is the update. I had 24 blue berry and shooting star that was 4 weeks into flower when failure accured. Last night i cut down 7 plants- mostly BB that had little yellow bananas comming out all over. None have popped open yet. Two many and to tight to try and pick off as someone suggested. There were two different mothers for each strain and it seems to be that the cuttings from only one mother of each is herming so far. If they were the only thing in there then i would consider leaving them in. I have 30 beautiful Kali Mist that are at there forth week now and don't want to mess them up. Keeping my fingers crossed. Since they were in there first week of flower when all this occured i'm hopeing that they will not be affected. Will keep updating.