Freezer Micro-Grow! [Archive]

09-04-2007, 03:27 PM

hi all ive a space under the stairs that may be possible to do a grow in. i want to use a 4" RVK fan and carbon filter, the only problem is where to put it?!?! heres the dimensions of my room;;

the floor area is 4 square ft
th short end is 18"
and the tall end is 4'

im using an 125w envirolite also. where will it fit in these 2 remaining spaces?!?!?

thanks for the replies DIV

Don de Marco

09-04-2007, 03:42 PM

Usually above, at light level or higher, where the warm air accumulates. You're sure a small (but sure not pricy) Enviro will be enough?

09-05-2007, 09:23 AM

definately i not, my height is the issue thats why ive chose to go for the envirolite. plus i only want 4 plants and im gonna train them alot so they fill a ScrOG grow, but i need the light to be very close in the final stages, i can see it before ive even started. and with me going for a good fan and filter for my small (less than 2 cubic meters) room, then i could probably get away with putting another enviro in there later on.

ill be going to my local growshop today to take some measurements so i can progress with this 1. ill keep you posted on how it gets on :thumbsup:

peace out DIV

Don de Marco

09-05-2007, 09:30 AM

how about an installation of some shoplights? You surely can pull off a good harvest from them and keep the plants close. They're cheap and not suspicious as well. Maye bome from tf1 can help here?

xerbho

09-08-2007, 06:49 AM

Wow thats a pretty spiffy paint Drawing lol .. i was wanting to do the same thing , but i dont have any outlets there and also have that space going to storage atm

X

09-09-2007, 10:49 AM

how does this sound instead? a small freezer similar to this 1. im thinking 5 or 6 cfl's in there, with 4" PC fans. my only question is how many for adaquite ventilation!?!?!

SFC

09-09-2007, 04:23 PM

If that is all you have to work with, go for it. Just ventilate it well.

09-15-2007, 06:28 PM

ok here it is finished product. tell me what you think;

09-16-2007, 09:42 PM

hey, after doing a little more reading about, i found that 60 watts of cfl is not enough for what i want. and as the temps were already over 30C, we decided to start again. i think ive been a little cheeky tho, coz ive used desk fans for intake/extration.

so here is my new setup;
6" desk fan
5" desk fan
6 x 20w cfl = 120w

and as my grow space is (w)1ft4" x (d)1ft5" i think this should cover the watts/sqrft?!?!

Don de Marco

09-17-2007, 09:08 AM

looks much better now. I didn't think a fridge was that easy to setup.

Anyway. If you have the option: try to find a proper exhaust fan, like a rvk or ruck. Axial fans don't build up much pressure. You can get along with computer/bathroom fans, but if you have the space, try one. I have the smallest RUCK fan with appropriate filter here, collecting dust, because it's too big for my current situation. A fridge is kinda borderline but it should fit in nicely, so try an upgrade.
As soon as I've more space available I'll setup mine. And there'll be even less noise or scents then.
I'm currently thinking about a double server case grow, hps with additional cfls.
http://www.agri-culture.de/catalog/images/ruck_4fach.jpg

Tap_Water

09-20-2007, 03:45 AM

Don de Marco, I cooled a 600 with two dayton 117 axial fans last summer.

The room was 80 to 90 and the box stayed right in there.

I had vents on the bottom and the two fans up top.

With them little bulbs just about any fan will work.

As for the fridge flowering?? Best of luck.

I make boxes and here is a cheep one.

You can make one for 100 bucks or less and add a cheep 400 Digital like it did for under 200 and call it a day. Tap

Ps, Don't look at the plant on the left as I'm killing that one.LMFAO!!!

Oh the box is 3ft x 3ft by 6 tall.

09-20-2007, 05:36 PM

not bud in a freezer? it isnt that small mate, come on id say 2 and a half foot of grow room there. i am tying them down too, and when the males show, theyre gone. so i think they should do ok. well they are up to now anyway. heres a gfew pics;
the mystery girl
ethiopian sunshine (as i have now been corrected). and then
afghan#1

this is 1 week after we had that "let's just do it" idea and glad we did :)

oh and thanks for your concerns of space tapwater, but if you look in a micro grow section i think you sould expect to see small grow rooms mate ;)

thanks DIV :blazed:

Cannagirl

09-21-2007, 09:03 AM

Looking good! I love mirco grows. One thing though......can you raise that shelf to the top rungs? Those plants can be a lot closer to those lights. With a small areas ur gonna want as little stretching as possible. If you had them on the top most shelf instead of the second one down it would be much better :)...then in a bit of time move em down again. You want them about 2-3 inches from the CFLs. Other than that, I like!

09-21-2007, 05:53 PM

thanks cannagirl, i will put them on a few books or summit, coz when the shelf is on the next tier, the plants touch the lights. thanks for looking in tho pet (can u tell im a geordie lol).

09-28-2007, 12:36 AM

as promised. update time lets kick off with a group shot, i like this one, they gettin big now
then a shot of the mystery girl, she has 7 nodes now
followed by the afgans, still small but they coming along sweet
and then both jamaicans, 1 got burnt on the lights, but is coming round heres a pic anyway.

10-06-2007, 02:15 AM

just a quick update tonight. a few group shots for tonoight but ill post up individual pics tomoro,

Don de Marco

10-06-2007, 09:50 AM

you're doing well with your freezer:thumbsup: :eek:

10-06-2007, 10:36 AM

cheers don, i think im having a few problems with my sativa, but other than that all seems to be ok. the leaves on her seem to be going dry and crispy, but the temps are 26 average, heres a pic of the sativa.... MEL WEED, what could the problem be???

10-06-2007, 10:41 AM

first 2 here are afghan's, 1 the first (1 finger) leaves are dying on these too. but im putting this down to shedding. they do shed some of there 1st leaves..... dont they????

then an ethiopian sunshine, only got a pic of 1 of them, they both look the same to me anyway :)

10-06-2007, 10:45 AM

and now we have a new addition to the family. this one just sprouted in a garden pot outside a few days ago. i have some suspicions as to where this 1 came from, but i dont really know for sure. we had 2 early misty seeds put straight into soil and another bagseed, but we just tossed the soil in this pot outside, and it grew like a week and a half later, so we havent got a clue which it is. here;

Don de Marco

10-06-2007, 10:50 AM

I assumed earlier the training might be responsible for the droopy look of the sativa. Maybe too much nutrition in the mix in general. I wouldn't worry about the others, they're fine, they were a bit immature for the rich soil, but that'll soom go away as they grow older.

10-06-2007, 10:59 AM

thanks for the kind words there DON. so what do you think the crispy leaves couldbe??? i have sprayed them a few times, but the leaves seem to curlup and doesnt look so good, maybe ive started osmething that needs to be kept on top of?!?! not entirely sure but this is what i think it could be.

Don de Marco

10-06-2007, 11:20 AM

hard to determine from afar. Maybe burnt from the waterdrops. I barely foliar feed or spray.

10-23-2007, 03:05 PM

update time. first the bad news (or good) im down to 3 plants down to illness. 2 afghans and 1 ethiopian. all have yellowing lower leaves, yet overall they look ok. they will be potted up tomoro to 6"pots. feeding them with 3/4 strength IONIC (1/3grow & 1/3bloom) 200ml every 2 days. every 3 or 4 feeds i only use water.

1st are the 2 afghans and then the ethiopian.

10-23-2007, 03:06 PM

i like the red on the stems of this afghan. its giving my grow room a different feel adding another colour to the scenery ;):blaze:

Don de Marco

10-23-2007, 03:24 PM

I think repotting will do the trick!

10-23-2007, 03:27 PM

thanks DDM, ill get onto it. hey i fitted that pc case with 2 20w cfl's and a little mylar, it looks good ill get a few picsup in the DIY section later.

Taco

10-23-2007, 07:36 PM

My opinion if that is what you desire.... Not sure what soil you are using....but I would say that since some leafs have a look of over nitro and some have a look of under nitro ......that you shouldn't feed until flip.....feed for the stretch....let em dry out until they almost wilt........They are looking good but they have a few small issues that you can address by feeding and watering less and if you put a fan blowing on them from about 1 week old you will not need stakes till last few weeks of bud not to mention the fact that the stem would be healthier and fatter which gives more room for transport of water and nutes up to the leafs.....just an all around healthier plant when fanned directly from an early age.:thumbsup:

nowherefast

10-23-2007, 07:41 PM

Nice lookin lil ladies ya got there CANT:thumbsup:

:bonghits:

10-24-2007, 02:26 PM

ok i repotted them today from 4" pots to 6" pots, tonight will also be the first night of 12/12. i found 'MINI TIMERS' at B&Q for 2 quid. got myself 2, just in case. ive also planted 5 afghans, they all cracked and have taproots. but ill start another diaru for those :thumbsup:

note to self:
BEGAN 12/12 ON 24/10/2007

Don de Marco

10-24-2007, 04:06 PM

How were the roots in the pot? All soil well penetrated? I hope so. big#bud has grown the afghanis with good results. And may I ask what mix you have taken? Did you add anything to it?

10-24-2007, 06:33 PM

certainly not don,ask away.

a just used cheap general purpose compost with fish blood & bones. but for repotting i bought 'specialist seedling and cuttings soil' from B&Q. and havent mixed anything in this time round, so that i can concentrate on the liquid feeding. for that im using IONIC GROW/BLOOM. im working up to full strength, im at 3/4 now so will be on full strength pretty soon.

Don de Marco

10-24-2007, 07:25 PM

Hm, I usually have most of the nutrition in the substrate. The cutting and seedling compost should be quite low in that, better suits your feeding schedule, but it may be a bit too fine, so easy on the watering. Plants look happy nonetheless

10-24-2007, 07:29 PM

thanks for the good words there don, so do you think that repotting will stop them going yellow?

Don de Marco

10-24-2007, 08:41 PM

I hope so.

10-28-2007, 10:16 AM

hi a small update to let evry1 know that determining sex is on the horizon. the 2 larger plants (1 afghan & 1 ethiopian) are showing there 1st signs of preflowers. too early to tell yet without a scope, but i will be able to see in the next day or 2 hopefully. so fingers crossed for females.

a question for you tho don, did your afghans all look the same??? coz as you can see 1 is short and bushy, and the other is looking very similar to the ethiopian, only it has red in the stem (looks beautiful).

Don de Marco

10-28-2007, 10:44 AM

a question for you tho don, did your afghans all look the same??? coz as you can see 1 is short and bushy, and the other is looking very similar to the ethiopian, only it has red in the stem (looks beautiful).
No, there was quite some variation in the pack like it should be for an IBL imho, they obviously were all sisters and brothers tho. Finally I stuck with the stout cristally one. The father wasn't of any extreme stature neither tall nor stout, but very compact nevertheless. What I did was only the first step torwards generating compact plants. But I however have not much interest in continuing that line any further att, since the high was without any crisp head. It was nice and mellow and not murky either, but lacked a bit of sativa for my taste. big#bud confirmed my findings. Nevertheless the Afghan is a tough plant and a good producer and may be ideal for doing experiments with.
Always it depends on personal taste. And since I have better (the JS) I'm doing that. The (EH x OG S) x Afghan you have (it's not pure Ethiopian) has a good third Sativa in it still. So you may like that as an alterative. The JS is a bit more difficult to grow. Get a few grows under your belt and we may discuss that matter again.

10-28-2007, 10:48 AM

ok thanks DON, making alot of sense, as always.

10-30-2007, 06:50 AM

just thought id throw up a few pics i took last night. all looking well and any leaves that are yellow havent been getting worse since i potted up. so thats all the problem was, thanks agin DON.

1st up (pics 1&2) is the short afghan, 1 of the side branches is as tall is the top now. so thats helping to fill my space out, its about 8" tall now.
2nd (pic 3) is the taller afghan, we pulled all of the yellowing leaves off both afghans, and now whats green, is staying green:D this 1 stands at around 12" tall.
and last (pic 4) is the ethiopian, like th big afghan this is also about 12" tall. but we couldnt pull ALL of the yellow leaves of this 1 or it wouldnt have many left lol but the problem isnt getting worse so im happy.

and theres a group shot thrown in last there, tell me what you think.

11-02-2007, 08:09 AM

well we have our first female, and its the taller afghan that has started to show first. hopefully the ethiopian will follow suit. but the short afghan hasnt got anything on it.... yet.

11-02-2007, 02:55 PM

the 2nd female has been confirmed today, this time its teh ethiopian showing 'her' true colours :thumbsup: so keep your fingers crossed for the next afghan to be a girl, to make it 3 out of 3.

Don de Marco

11-02-2007, 03:36 PM

Good news :thumbsup: I assume the last one to be female as well. I think it's very unlikely a belated male. Good job! So you have done alot stuff right already. Stress and a wrong environment is supposed to generate more males.

That howevers seems not to apply to Cannagirls grow as it seems the plants like to impress her showing up as handsome males.

11-02-2007, 05:20 PM

lol im happy i have 2 girls, 1 more would be a bonus. its gonna be a nice conapy if all 3 end up girls. ive topped them at the same height so that the side branches make a sog.

Don de Marco

11-02-2007, 05:45 PM

Seems to be a good idea for them ghanis, since at least one phenotype seems to grow vigorously, but only in very early flower as it is atm.
Pictures?:pics:

11-02-2007, 06:17 PM

Lol Ill Get Them Up Tomorow, I Got Some Sweet Pics, Makes It Look Like A Jungle In There.

Don de Marco

11-02-2007, 06:51 PM

cool and not to be misunderstood: I meant pruning, if really needed, only now, not much later.

11-04-2007, 06:16 PM

yeah ive already topped them, ive seen it done and you get a 'V' shaped bud on top:bongdude: ok so the smaller afghan has something, but its still too small to see exactly what, but it does look like a girl.

so pics is what you want hmm? well here you go;
pics 1&2 are the ethiopian,
pics 3&4 are of the taller afghan &
pics 5&6 are of the smaller afghan.

11-04-2007, 06:25 PM

and ill top this update off with a few groupshots, like i sadi DON, it looks like a jungle in there now :thumbsup:

1 question. the plants are responding well to my feeding regeme, and arent showing any signs of nute burn. so do i still have to give them an only water feed? or are they ok to just recieve a nute schedule?
im using IONIC BLOOM @ full strength.

Don de Marco

11-04-2007, 06:34 PM

Very nice, especially the small afghan. Watch out for small brown tips on the leaves, that's a sign to cut the nutes back, but since they're doing that well and you have soil for seedlings, go ahead.

11-10-2007, 01:27 PM

starting with the small afghan, looking good, not got as many white hairs as the rest, but still look good non the less.

11-10-2007, 01:29 PM

next up is the ethiopian, not getting a topp on her (my mistake topping) but this is helping the lower buds to grow faster, they have hairs on every branch now, so im happy.

11-10-2007, 01:32 PM

and ive saved the best til last here with the tall afghan. nice top forming, hairs EVERYWHERE, this is going to be the biggest yeilder unless 1 of the others spring a surprise on me :D

11-10-2007, 01:34 PM

and a few groupshots, we took them out for a photo shoot this morning.

11-11-2007, 03:13 PM

im having a little problem with the smaller afghan at the minute, the leaves look as if they are rusting. they are even acting like that too, they are going dry and crcking. the browning is starting form the inside outwards. what could this be.

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36571#post36571

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link2thread

11-17-2007, 12:46 AM

ok ive tied the big afghan over because its almost at the lights. but this is exposing the lower buds to the light, this isnt such a bad thing is it?

and the buds on the smaller afghan dont look like theyve gotten any bigger for a while now, so me and my grow bud decided to make room for the 2 that look good, and have taken it out. so we just have 2, healthy females in there now, and the lower buds are getting alot more light, so it seems like a good thing.
the plant will go to a friend who will plant it in his living room as a house plant.

ill post pics tomoro

Taco

11-17-2007, 12:54 AM

Yeah Cant if you are not a cola fiend then tieing em down has its benefits for sure. You can still get colas but they aren't so cylindrical and such. But yeah def not a bad thing for the lower. Looking forward to the pics.:thumbsup:

Don de Marco

11-17-2007, 08:42 AM

I would've preferred the smaller afghan, less stretch. Bummer you gave it away.

11-18-2007, 11:02 AM

imho DON, it was very skinny and scraggly with nowhere near as many hairs on it than the other 2 have. and the bigger ones look more appealling than the others. we want to get the most from these 2, and if getting rid of the smaller plant, leaves room for the light to get to the lower buds on the others.

pics later today

Don de Marco

11-18-2007, 11:45 AM

You decide as you wish to. It's a bit difficult judging them by pictures. Lookin at the smaller Afghan it seemed more compact and the taller one only taller, but that's my impression. Maybe the smaller one did perfom worse since you didn't like it (who knows?). We'll see how things go. I did chose the stocky ghani (not two like intended), threw the taller one out and had still some issues keeping her in the case.

11-18-2007, 11:18 PM

ok day 26 bud today, and things look great. they are enjoying the extra spce :D and the buds are getting crystals all over.

heres the ethiopian. we were having a few little problems with the colouration of the leaves on this 1, so i asked my local hydro-shop ownere what it could be, he said N def, so i mixed a new feed up for it with a little grow in it. that sorted the origional problem out. now it has yellow/brown spots on the leaves, so we changed the feed today.

heres how it looks.

11-18-2007, 11:26 PM

now for the afghan, had to tie her over slightly because she was growing into the light. but the buds that have now been exposed to the light have exploded into growth, its amazing, crystals allover them.

here

11-18-2007, 11:27 PM

and a couple of groupshots, they love the extra room :D

Don de Marco

11-19-2007, 07:47 AM

phew, looking good, except the ethiopian ;)
Well I thought the ghani background would make her a bit easier to grow, it looks like the plant had plenty in the past, maybe better cut the nutes back.
I think it was too much K that looked out N, now poured too much nitrogen on top :lmao: As others mentioned: colder temperatures and maybe a connected drift in the ph range were responsible for that as a sideeffect. Often one cause triggers more than just one symptom. When the nutrient uptake is skrewed up it affects the ph. Then add a bit cold for which the Ethiopian is susceptible and you have it.

11-19-2007, 05:43 PM

ok DON, i think i get what your saying :blazed: we have given it a good flush today, so well let it dry out completely and then start her on a 1/2 strength feed again, or do you think it should be 1/4 strength??