Heard about this from local.

[george roberts]

Says to buy scent blockers. It\'s 100% coyote urine and he swears it keeps the deer away! Waht you do is \'make\' a circle of Points around your grow. At each point apply the urine. Rocks, Bushes, tree trunk bases are all good places to place the urine. It really reeks and the deer will instictivly avoid the urine. The local swears that it works!! I aim to try it this summer.

[rangerdanger]

We went over this @GK.
Urine of any type is not a scent blocker, it is a scent.
Activated charcoal is a scent blocker.
Coyote urine is no different in effectiveness than dog urine, because that's what a coyote is--a dog.
Predator urine is better. This comes from carnivores such as bobcats and mountain lions.
But deer aren't all that concerned about coyote's since deer can outrun them. I worked for the forest service for decades and have come across dead deer many times. The #1 deer predator is people. Way way way down the list is mountain lions.

What is most important is using piss--and even better shit--from a carnivore or an omnivore that has recently eaten meat.

[Hill_billy]

Way way way down the list is mountain lions.
A lion kills and consumes an average of 1 deer a week. A female training young'uns will kill more, 2-3 p/week. A lions preferred food "is" deer. When they run low on deer, their next favorite prey is joggers!! ;) :D
Please ranger, give me a list of predators high, high, higher than cougar on deer. I have around 20 years first hand experience with cougars. Black bear are hard on new borns, but other thn that, I can't think of anything more prevalant as a predator, than the cougar.

[rangerdanger]

A lion kills and consumes an average of 1 deer a week. A female training young'uns will kill more, 2-3 p/week. A lions preferred food "is" deer. When they run low on deer, their next favorite prey is joggers!! ;) :D
Please ranger, give me a list of predators high, high, higher than cougar on deer. I have around 20 years first hand experience with cougars. Black bear are hard on new borns, but other thn that, I can't think of anything more prevalant as a predator, than the cougar.

What I meant was that far more deer are killed by people than by mountain lions.
Mountain lions also eat rats. rabbit's and other rodents. And I disagree with your estimate's on how many deer mountain lions kill. They only kill when hungry. A mountian lion with kits does not need to kill 2--3 deer/week, unless we're talking about small deer.

[herbgrower]

Ain't got mountain lion's over here,thank goodness,but we do have sabre-toothed possum's and cannabalistic wallabies :D

I have tried everything to repel the savage little bugger's,the only thing that i found that really,really work's is setting a dog onto their furry little arse's,or a blast with some salt-petre up their furry arse's ! :D

If ANY animal is hungry enough,it will go through any sort of barrier that you will erect to get to the "goodie's" ! :D
:animbong:

[Hill_billy]

What I meant was that far more deer are killed by people than by mountain lions. That, I will conceeed, is probably true. Figuring in vehicle deer encounters. But in most cases when deer fatalities due to vehicles are in high number, the deer are over populated for the range available.
Which in most cases, is due to anti-hunters butting in and hindering wildlife biologists efforts to control.
I'm still interested in the list of pred's above a cougar.

Cougars will often stay on a kill for days. As long as the meat stays fresh and is not discovered and disturbed by other animals, such as cyotes, bear, vultures. Once it goes bad or is fed on by carrion eaters. It is abandoned, "in most cases".
I've also seen them kill, eat the bowels and liver, and move on many times. I kinda' think when a cat does that, he has a mission. He is/was headed somewhere and oppurtunity presented a meal.
I'm not saying a lion kills for pleasure. That wasn't at all what I was trying to convey. BUT, I have saw where a female teaching young to hunt and kill, took far more than they could possibly eat over a several week period. Killing, I would guesse, every time oppurtunity presented itself.
Cougars are oppurtunistic. They eat what is available or presents itself or what they can catch.. I once caught and killed a 27 yr. old cat,(the oldest on record here I believe). She was gaunt and nothin' but skin and bones. Her teeth were shot, very few left. Canines didn't even appear to exist. Had a whole mouthfull of porcupine quills. That's how hungry she was. The game biologist said she probably wouldn't have survived the winter, without turning into a suburbian pet killer.
I'm not talkin' shit read out of a book, or second hand information collected, edited to make it "politically correct". I'm speaking "Hands on, been there done that, got the T-shirt". I've put a lot of time studying and learning about what I consider "The most predominant predator" in the lower 48.(Man being the exception)

[rangerdanger]

I clarified my statement.
I meant that far more deer are killed by people than by mountain lions. I was talking more in numbers than an actual list.

My experience/knowledge suggests that lions are only motivated to kill by hunger, although I conceed that mothers teaching their young might kill more often than is absolutely neccesary. I have never come across a recent kill where there was much left except head, hide and bones. I don't think coyotes played a part in scavenging in most cases because the skeletons were more or less intact; coyotes tend to scatter bones and often carry some off.


I agree with herbgrower: save a 6' high chain-link fence, few barriers will keep starving deer away from ganja, often one of the few things alive in the late summer.

[Mermaid]

That, I will conceeed, is probably true. Figuring in vehicle deer encounters. But in most cases when deer fatalities due to vehicles are in high number, the deer are over populated for the range available.
Which in most cases, is due to anti-hunters butting in and hindering wildlife biologists efforts to control.

I'm not talkin' shit read out of a book, or second hand information collected, edited to make it "politically correct". I'm speaking "Hands on, been there done that, got the T-shirt". I've put a lot of time studying and learning about what I consider "The most predominant predator" in the lower 48.(Man being the exception)

Hillbilly so true! Both my dad and my brother hunt BUT they eat what they kill & around here most deer are killed because they are overpopulated or they are struck by cars. In fact I have had deer run into me on 4 different occasions while driving if that is any indication to you all just how overpoulated they really are. Lemme tell ya it is skeery to have one jump out in front of ya as your driving on a dark road...they just whammm dart out of no where! Luckily I have never gotten hurt but my vehicles sure did! :(
People do not understand they will be killed regardless...either from starvation or being hit by cars. Where I live most hunters kill them just for the meat and not just the novelty. I think it is sad to give all hunters a bad name because it is no different then anyone eating a steak IMO.

...also thanks for all the info! I learned sumthing new and you are on source of knowledge IMO. :ebert:
:animbong: JG