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Delta-9
08-07-2008, 02:59 PM
were did they get all there chem dog and sour diesel mixes are they even related to the real deal ? also greenhouse seeds is selling chem dog now are these just there own creations that grow and smell like the real thing or is it actually related. if they have chem dog it must have started with selfed seeds thats all i can think of because there clone only that or they actualy got there hands on the real deal and crossed it with another male. i hate how seed company's use the names of killer strains just to sell there seeds theres so many chem crosses now its probably a totaly different strain and there just using the name to charge high prices. just like white widow it seems every seed bank has it now. soon the'll all have chem dog.

Useless
08-09-2008, 06:10 PM
Let me help you out a bit. heh heh heh.

Rez's Chemdawg came right from Chemdawg. Rez has the Chem-D for breeding. The D is the best from the chem family, at least thats what everyone says. The '91 is the seed that started the craze. Rez's Chemdawg are CD-D x Sensi Hindu Kush, and then backcrossed to the CD-D. BX1 is the 1st backcross.
Rez's SD line is based on the original clone. He took the ECSD clone, outcrossed to something (not sure what), then started backcrossing it. Each backcross is represented in the name. A prime example is the SDv3. Thats the 3rd backcross.

GHS chemdawg is the Apothecary cut. No one has been able to verify it as the real '91, but no one is saying "that aint it" either.
What I do know, the '91 is over 17 years old now, and geneticially is probably pretty tired. Chemdawg has said the '91 is tired and not worthy of using to make seed. GHS is simply making s1's of apothecary's cut. I am going to say that given GHS previous and current attempts at selfing named clone only's, I wouldn't hold my breathe that they will actually represent the CD line. Just have to look at the TW and Cheese to know what Im talking about.

Yes, soon everyone and their grandmother will be selling Chemdawg seeds. The cali med scene has tons of fake cuts going around, and I think the seed lines will become that way too. No one is taking the time to breed properly, a preserve genetic lines. It's all about cashing in on the hype of a name......

Delta-9
08-09-2008, 07:08 PM
Let me help you out a bit. heh heh heh.

Rez's Chemdawg came right from Chemdawg. Rez has the Chem-D for breeding. The D is the best from the chem family, at least thats what everyone says. The '91 is the seed that started the craze. Rez's Chemdawg are CD-D x Sensi Hindu Kush, and then backcrossed to the CD-D. BX1 is the 1st backcross.
Rez's SD line is based on the original clone. He took the ECSD clone, outcrossed to something (not sure what), then started backcrossing it. Each backcross is represented in the name. A prime example is the SDv3. Thats the 3rd backcross.

GHS chemdawg is the Apothecary cut. No one has been able to verify it as the real '91, but no one is saying "that aint it" either.
What I do know, the '91 is over 17 years old now, and geneticially is probably pretty tired. Chemdawg has said the '91 is tired and not worthy of using to make seed. GHS is simply making s1's of apothecary's cut. I am going to say that given GHS previous and current attempts at selfing named clone only's, I wouldn't hold my breathe that they will actually represent the CD line. Just have to look at the TW and Cheese to know what Im talking about.

Yes, soon everyone and their grandmother will be selling Chemdawg seeds. The cali med scene has tons of fake cuts going around, and I think the seed lines will become that way too. No one is taking the time to breed properly, a preserve genetic lines. It's all about cashing in on the hype of a name......
so agreed its all about money eveything are f1 crosses the'll cross anything not many serious IBL. but if i want to try anything related to the chem in it i should go with REZ rite like his strawberry deisel i think its called is that with the real deal

Useless
08-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Well, Rez's SD is an IBL, it's on its 9th backcross. ABout as clone to the clone as you are going to get. But watch for hermies.

The Chemdawg Kush rez has is gonna be your best bet for a chemdawg pheno. He used Sensi's HK to outcross, and this will be pretty dominant in the F1. However, the Chem terpene profile stays pretty dominant in all of its crosses. Just look at the Orginal Diesel, ECSD, and OG Kush.
If you cant get the Chem, OD, or ECSD clones, then the best bet is to get the Chemdawg Kush bx from Rez. I think hes at #2, maybe #3 on the release. Grow those out. Find the most chem/diesel female pheno, and the stinkiest male. Cross those and grow out the F2. Then, sort through those for the gnarliest chem/diesel fuel stink. Thats gonna be your best bet imo.
I dont think the Kryptonite Crew has enough stock to release anything in a large quantity yet. Otherwise, any of the Chem crosses they do would be stellar.

Either that, or win BOTM for some Original Diesel x PK fem seeds from yours truly. :D

Delta-9
08-09-2008, 11:24 PM
win the BOTM huh :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :thumbsup:
:icon_smil :bongdude: :icon_smil :bongdude: :icon_smil :bongdude:

mr_nice_guy
09-21-2008, 05:48 PM
Hey i have been searching and reading is there a good place to learn about pheno types?

Useless
09-21-2008, 06:49 PM
Hey i have been searching and reading is there a good place to learn about pheno types?


Phenotype is the genotypical expression based on envirnonmental influences/factors.

web420
09-22-2008, 04:52 AM
Hey i have been searching and reading is there a good place to learn about pheno types?
Check out! => Breeding Basics: Phenotypes (http://www.420genetics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618) :420:

Revolution
12-02-2008, 04:47 PM
Rez got a dirty cut of chem D, serves him right for ripping off chemdog and his crew...he nevr got it by permission or directly in anyway., but backhanded.

When the crew found out he was gonna be breeding it, rez agreed to pay 25$ a pack to them for what ever he sold that had chem name on it...well rez moved, shut off his cell, and is a wanted man from what i hear for burning bridges like that.

I dont see Krypto disrespecting the people that gave them the chem cuts so i dont see much coming from them. They and most know Doghouse is the only crew to get legit beans and Obsoul33t (soulie) is making that happen.

I got 4 crosses made by Doghouse in flower currently. 2 of them are crosses of the D and chem sister cut. will get some pics up soon:animbong:

SFC
12-02-2008, 07:38 PM
I need to pop some of them ODxOD's again. Sure would be nice to get a female like we did with the KKSCxOD.

Useless
12-02-2008, 10:15 PM
[QUOTE=Revolution]Rez got a dirty cut of chem D, serves him right for ripping off chemdog and his crew...he nevr got it by permission or directly in anyway., but backhanded.

When the crew found out he was gonna be breeding it, rez agreed to pay 25$ a pack to them for what ever he sold that had chem name on it...well rez moved, shut off his cell, and is a wanted man from what i hear for burning bridges like that.

QUOTE]

Where did you hear that? It was my understanding Rez went and met with Chem and was gifted the cut by the man himself. The agreement was that Rez was not to breed pure chem, but could use it for hybrids. Then of course rez went made the Chem x Hk and started backcrossing to produce an IBL line. Then everyone got pissed at him. Chem hasnt been around in a while. JJ-NYC lays into Rez in all the chemdawg threads. To which I say, good for him, watching out for his homie like that. Rez shouldn't have gone against his word, but he swears Chem gave him permission to line breed it. Of course Chem isnt around to say otherwise though. But if you read up in rez's forum he swears he spoke to Chem and got the OK. I dont buy it myself, but who can honestly say except Chem and Rez.

What you got goin from the Doghouse? I have been wanting to try JJ's Tres Dawg.
No matter though, I got a line on the Chem - D cut and I already have the OD and ECSD clones, so no biggie, but the Tres does look stellar.


Get to it SFC! Whatcha waitin on?

SFC
12-03-2008, 03:16 PM
I know, Maybe I will crack another couple of them here shortly. I have some that were crossed with that cherry as well. And surprisingly that cherry was really good outdoors. Doesn't make any sense at all I know.

trillions of atoms
12-03-2008, 11:37 PM
It's all about cashing in on the hype of a name......
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i agree use....goes the same for selling the product too. it could be fucking dirt but if you call it kush, ppl are standing in line willing o pay 20 -25 a gram for it.


sad.

SFC
12-03-2008, 11:48 PM
The Chem strains are special there is no question on that. To think they would not be used by others once it got out, is foolish. MJ is no different than any other non-copyrighted property. Sadly it is not even copyrightable. Granted there is supposed to be somewhat of an honor system, obviously it is unenforceable. I would give rez the benefit of doubt.

Breeding and selling seeds is his lifesblood, at least he is trying to make a quality product. Chem should make a move on his own, or get left behind. It i sas simple as that.

Useless
12-04-2008, 03:13 AM
AHh but Chem and the Doghouse crew were making their own move.
And perhaps I am old fashioned and think a man should stick to word.

"All I got in life is my word and my balls, and I aint breakin em for nobody".

Break your honor in old time Japan, it meant sepukura (sp?). Basically gutting yourself and having your best friend cut your head off.

Honor seems to be a lost ideal....

I wouldnt trust Rez farther than I can throw him. He tries to make good representations of elite clones, but that is all. And hes been known to be a shiester in the past. I dont hate on him, nor have any ill will against him, just a bit wary if you know what I mean. Take it with a dash salt as it were.

Useless
12-04-2008, 03:13 AM
AHh but Chem and the Doghouse crew were making their own move.
And perhaps I am old fashioned and think a man should stick to word.

"All I got in life is my word and my balls, and I aint breakin em for nobody".

Break your honor in old time Japan, it meant sepukura (sp?). Basically gutting yourself and having your best friend cut your head off.

Honor seems to be a lost ideal....

I wouldnt trust Rez farther than I can throw him. He tries to make good representations of elite clones, but that is all. And hes been known to be a shiester in the past. I dont hate on him, nor have any ill will against him, just a bit wary if you know what I mean. Take it with a dash salt as it were.

Delta-9
12-04-2008, 12:28 PM
now whats up with chem and the doghouse crew how can you get there genetics do they have a site

SFC
12-04-2008, 12:49 PM
That is my point, no one seems to have access to chem or Doghouse, at east that is the perception I am getting. All I am saying is once the genetics are out there you really have no control what happens from there, this is especially true if a seedhouse gets them. I hope a day comes when MJ is copyrightable, that would be something lol.

Useless
12-05-2008, 05:25 AM
No, everyone has access to doghouse.

Just check out a thread called Chemdawg D x Afghani on ICmag.

There are here, they just dont promote like most do.

Revolution
12-16-2008, 07:05 PM
i have 15 plants in flower made by Doghouse...chems boy Soulie. and nope rez did not get direct, but backhanded and made a promise of his word to cut doghouse in on any sales....well rez played smoke n mirrors game and houdini on them....burned...he has no honor...good point.:thumbsup:

p.s. Doghouse crew was banned from the ICgag because of rez, he got them all banned 1 by 1..loser he is. but JJ-NYC is also pals with the crew and is working some chems coming from Top Dawg beans.