Help There Dying

[ugonehated]

hey guys whats up, i dont know what the hell happened but i need help and fast it looks like i dont have alot of time, Ok the day before yesterday was Time to Change out the res. (after 1 week and 5days).....and i have a Drip system so i had to move the plants out of the chamber and move them into another area for about an hour or so in order to change the res. and have work space...In that time i changed out the res i snipped acouple leaves and Stems from the plant because they were wilted and already dried out, now i come to look today and i notice most of my plants are slouching over and look ready to die, the leaves are cripsy feeling and crumble, it just started budding and i dont know what to do or what it could be

[ugonehated]

And also i realized there was like a goo on the Plug where my plant is in, it had fungus before (the white stuff) but ive never seen the goo before and it appeared in just 2days.

[greenthumbdanny]

Hey ugon, Can ya elaborate on your set up a bit more medium, nutrients, PH, enviroment ETC. Get some pics so we can see what you have going on. Also some pics of the sick plant would do wonders.

[nowherefast]

tell us more about your water, nutes, nute temps etc.

:bonghits:

[ugonehated]

Well honestly it cant be the nutes or ph level because i have another set-up , bigger and those are really healthy and blooming great so far,The only thing i dont like is that the setup thats doing great is a Ebb and Flow trey setup, so i dont have to take the plants out when i do a res change , so basically its alot easier and the plants dont have to move, With the setup im having problems with its a Drip system with a lid and has the holes for the net cups to go in, so everytime i change the res i have to take the plants out and move them to another location for about an hour or so , so i can do what i have to do and have room to work, Also the roots are always in constant water because of there size in the drip system.The water temp i checked was 30 degrees Celcius, some of the plants dont seem to be really affected , but i have 1 or 2 that are leaning sideways basically looking dead on me, and some of the leaves are crispy feeling and crumple when i squeeze them.This all happened when i changed my res 4days ago, since then its been going down hill for the drip setup. Im using 2 part Flora, Bloom and Boost, with additives such as Big bud and Carba-load, Ph ranges from 5.8-6.4.....PPm at about 1000 or so., I am going to take pics to show you guys also, give me a sec, this is just so u can have an idea of what im talking about, COOlio.

[ugonehated]

here are some pics of the plants (i keep them at a friends house but i do routine maintenance on them and swing by )

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1231019062584.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1231019055891.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1231019062584.jpg


Now here they are today (recent)

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207713010.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207726039.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207733935.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207741641.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207749420.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207756517.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207763745.jpg

(this is a pic of one of the other plants in the same Grow area)

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207775033.jpg




Now on another note , this is the ebb and flow Grow area with the same nutes and ph level , and even water temp.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207902200.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207909398.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207919206.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207927431.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207935881.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207943867.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232207952413.jpg

There ya go!, coolio

[ugonehated]

here are also a bit bigger pics so u can see what the plug looks like of the sick plant , and of the healthy one Shown.

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232208761257.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232208782272.jpg

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/ugonehated_2008/1232208796330.jpg

[Samino]

Maybe beginning stag of root rot, when roots starts to rot, they dont take in the Oxygen needed. Do you have an air stone in the rez? If not add one!
And try some H2O2 to the rez, it kills bacteria!

Also the The water temp is to high needs about 65-70f max. Even if al the plants arent affected yet, they may soon will be.

[ugonehated]

i do have a air stone and i am using h202 thats the crazy part, when i wasnt using h202 it was fine, now i started 2 and this happens , crazy man

[nowherefast]

i had issues using h2o2 and stopped using it myself. been clean since. but yes youre water temps are too high, 30c is about 86f and thats warm. should be closer to 70f i believe.

[greenthumbdanny]

Oh my thats bad:eek:

68-73 is ideal.:thumbsup: I keep mine about 68 lights on.

[ugonehated]

Oh my thats bad:eek:

68-73 is ideal.:thumbsup: I keep mine about 68 lights on.

how do u do so tho, because a water chiller is very expensive like 600 and i am not trying to spend that , what methods do u use?

[greenthumbdanny]

Well my friend, I use this ICE PROBE cool down my 55 gal reservoir. I installed 2 of these gimmicks and I'm dialed in. Your nutrient temps should be between 68-73. At 78 you will get pythium.
This gimmick didn't cost no $600 bucks. only cost $125 bucks and the temp controller if ya want it is 50 bucks


http://www.420genetics.com/gallery/files/5/7/7/ch_iceprobe_1.jpg
http://www.420genetics.com/gallery/files/5/7/7/ch_iceprobe_install1.jpg


Typical Temperature Pulldown (°F)
# of Chillers 10gal 20gal 40gal
1 6-8ºF 3-4ºF 1-2ºF
2 10-12ºF -8ºF 3-4ºF


They have a Proportional Thermoelectric Controller for IceProbes that runs about 50 bucks . The exact temperature set point is fixed by adjusting a Philips head set point dial. These controllers feature an 18 inch long waterproof temperature sensor and all the electrical connections to allow for simple installation between the IceProbe and the Power Converter.
the controller is not required, but it is the only way to control the temperature (otherwise the IceProbe is always on). They offer the Model TEC65 for the range from 65ºF to 85ºF and the Model TEC45 for the range from 50ºF to 65ºF.
DONT GET THE TEC45..


If ya google coolworks ice probe it gives ya plenty places to order from. Search and save yourself 10-15 bucks give or take.:animbong: :animbong: :thumbsup:

bought mine here. gtd
http://www.marineandreef.com/iceprobe_aquarium_chiller_iceprobe_chiller_s/163.htm

[ugonehated]

wow, those hydro people tried to get me then!, the one they showed me was 600, ridiculous, but since this one is cheaper and u say it does the job then i must get it, by the way what is pythium?

[ugonehated]

oh shit i found the same thing u showed me on another site for 107.95, but they charge higher on the regulator (54.95), so im going to buy each piece from diff places...thanks again, and also ...Im using Co2 in my GOOd grow room and the room temp is 85, when should i take the co2 out and lower the temp.

[Useless]

The slime is pythium.
Kiss those plants goodbye. Pull them now. Remove all the medium. 10% bleach solution on the medium if reusable like hydroton. Was everything down with the bleach.
Root zone temps are not nearly as critical in an EnF system as it is DWC.

GTD got you the correction.
If you think 600 is bad for a chiller, my costs $1500-1800. But mine is for medical usage, controlling the temperature of plasma. Lucky for me I got it for free.

68-73 degrees F is correct temp for your nutrient solution.

[Delta-9]

Useless is right you need to rip them all down and clean the system.
my first DWC grow i got it and it killed every plant in the system.
make sure you clean everything very good before you set back up

[ugonehated]

damn so none of them are going to survive, Are u sure , i mean some dont look affected but your saying that with time they will be and im just waisting my time with them and light lol. Damn this is ashame, ITs crazy tho because my ebba nd flow Trey plants are beuaitful as seen and they dont have a water chiller, then again there roots arent subdued in water 24/7 neither, just the rockwool....Damn its ashame now i have to start from scratch, what i find weird tho is that this just started happening, throught-out the veg cycle this didnt happen, then these last couple of weeks it popped up out of no where, and the slime 4days ago...Its crazy man damn..im thinking of changing the drip system i dont like it at ALL, im depressed now because of it....What a waist of 2months man shit.

[Useless]

Well you can try to save them. BUt you're going to be fighting it the whole grow.
You can use 10 drops per gallon H2O2 (35% food grade).
Add some SM90 or Hygrozyme to help it. (Only wait 8+ hours after you add the H2O2)
Start changing your ressy weekly.
Get the chiller.
Aerate the solution better.

You should be doing that stuff anyway.
(Except 5 drops of H2O2 per gallon for maintenance).

[Samino]

Dont get down on yourself, man it happens to the best of'em out there. It's all a learning process that your never going to stop learning. Hell you may come up with a way to remedy your situation, and we all learn from what you did, you know!

[ugonehated]

Dont get down on yourself, man it happens to the best of'em out there. It's all a learning process that your never going to stop learning. Hell you may come up with a way to remedy your situation, and we all learn from what you did, you know!


hey thanks for the positive advice man i appreciate it, i already turned the light off , im going to pull them just because i messed up and thats the consequence to it ....Reguardless ive been really Ampted to grow either some blue cheese, great white shark , or some Spoetnik #1....the 1st 2 are fem. so i might just go with one of those....And i want to swap out my Drip system for a ebb and flow...For some reason i cant STANd the drip, everytime i do a res change i have to take the plants out, then to put them back in its a bitch and just gets me annoyed, with the othersetup thats ebb and flow the Plants dont have to more for nothing, and they grow basically around eachother, if i were to move them and try to put them back it would be a bitch and probably would throw them off dont ya think....

[Samino]

Ebb & flow is a really affective hydro setup. When i used it I never had to move them once they were in the system. Even If tried I wouldn't be able to move them, once the root growth exploded. The roots were tied all together, like, one plants roots had grown two plants over. So, I dont know what your set is like but you shouldn't have to move them around in an ebb & flow. If you do you'll probably tear roots in the process.

That's just my 2 cents