Gumby Run #2

[Delta-9]

well i had some trim sitting around for a while now and i got the erg to make some hash so i ran some last night. this is almost like Bubble Hash but instead of bags you use a paint straining bag as the work bag and let gravity do the seperation. i used a 5gal. bucket and mixed the trim into the ice filled water i used a big spoon and worked it for 15-20 min. then i pull out the bag leaving just the water. i let it sit a few hours and siphon it with a 3/4in. tube i try to get as close to the bottom as possible without sucking up the trichs. then i mix it around and pour it into a glass container i let it settle overnight. and this morning i used a 1/4in. air line to siphon the water i use a smaller tube for less suction i can get closer to the trichs without sucking them up. once there is like 1/4in. of water over the trichs i mix it again and pour it through a coffee filter once thats mostly dry i take it and fold it wrap it with paper towels and squeeze out most of the water. then i open the filter take out the chunk of hash put it in some wax paper and put it in the microwave for 5-10sec. then rolled it out with a rolling pin. then i open the wax paper fold over the hash another 5-10 in the microwave roll again. i do it 4 times them i roll it up in the palm of my hand. and its now curing.:thumbsup::bongdude:
it looks like it came out alright im gonna test it later today after it dry's some more.:blazed:: pipe:
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[web420]

Nice ............. D9 :drool:

[Edward Scissorhash]

Good job Delta, love me some hash porn:icon_smil:bongdude:
Now get on that budder sukka, DO WORk!!! :bonghits:

[Delta-9]

Good job Delta, love me some hash porn:icon_smil:bongdude:
Now get on that budder sukka, DO WORk!!! :bonghits:

thanks Web and Ed for ghetto tech its some good hash gets you ripped up.
trust me man this harvest in using all the trim and popcorn buds to make some good oil to budder up i want to try it so bad i see all these picks and its got me drooling:icon_smil:thumbsup:

[Useless]

Good job Delta, love me some hash porn:icon_smil:bongdude:
Now get on that budder sukka, DO WORk!!! :bonghits:

Umm last I recall you were supposed to post up some budder hash, about 4 months ago..roflmao


Nice job D9

[Edward Scissorhash]

Umm last I recall you were supposed to post up some budder hash, about 4 months ago..roflmao


Nice job D9

:lmao:
Just call me NWF. I think about uploading, and talk about it, but never do.......:blazed:

[Useless]

:lmao:
Just call me NWF. I think about uploading, and talk about it, but never do.......:blazed:


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[Skunky]

Yea man I like the gumby method. I made some a few weeks ago and it was pretty good. Only down side to the gumby method is you can't get the different grades besides doing multiple runs. Next time man you should use a mixer or a drill with a mixing attachment, it will work much better. But yea I did everything else the same. Still man it comes out great and can be made into some rolling papers no problem.

[Delta-9]

Yea man I like the gumby method. I made some a few weeks ago and it was pretty good. Only down side to the gumby method is you can't get the different grades besides doing multiple runs. Next time man you should use a mixer or a drill with a mixing attachment, it will work much better. But yea I did everything else the same. Still man it comes out great and can be made into some rolling papers no problem.

for ghetto tech it does work well. the taste reminds me of the afghani gold stamp i used to get. but this was my first time not using a mixer i usually do.
i decided to try a spoon since lots of people say to use a wooden spoon.
and i did come out with less hash then i usually get from a run like that. but it was allot cleaner very little green matter in the hash. it was very good compared to what i usually get using a mixer. :bongdude:
i just have to get me some bubble bags and one of those oil extractors preferably this one i seen used here in a post looks top quality. just gotta ask what the name brand it is lol :bongdude:
http://okief.com/DSCF0009.JPG

[Useless]

for ghetto tech it does work well. the taste reminds me of the afghani gold stamp i used to get. but this was my first time not using a mixer i usually do.
i decided to try a spoon since lots of people say to use a wooden spoon.
and i did come out with less hash then i usually get from a run like that. but it was allot cleaner very little green matter in the hash. it was very good compared to what i usually get using a mixer. :bongdude:
i just have to get me some bubble bags and one of those oil extractors preferably this one i seen used here in a post looks top quality. just gotta ask what the name brand it is lol :bongdude:
http://okief.com/DSCF0009.JPG

That is an Okief BHO tube. I have the first one made. An bro from the old days on the board owns Okief. He sent me his first protoype. LOL.

Go to www.okief.com
Tell Chief that I sent you.

Cheers

[Delta-9]

That is an Okief BHO tube. I have the first one made. An bro from the old days on the board owns Okief. He sent me his first protoype. LOL.

Go to www.okief.com
Tell Chief that I sent you.

Cheers
thanks Use it looks top notch.:thumbsup:

[Skunky]

Hey Delta, try this out. I used the trim from the gumby run and did an iso-wash. Still got a decent little amount. So you may give it a try. Here is my QWISO with the gumby run trim.
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YUM!:animbong:
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[Delta-9]

thats all qwizo is an ISO extraction? i seen Useless's it was red like blood since then i wanted to try it. LOL that looks pretty good to: pipe:
what about using good sugar leaves and some buds to make a very good batch
i want to this harvest. but how exactly do you use the ISO to extract the trichs. i take it you need 99% ISO but im not sure how use it.
any info would be awesome.:thumbsup:

[Useless]

QWISO = Quick Wash ISO.
Basically you take some bud or trim, freeze it. Stick the ISO in the freezer as well. After the trim is frozen (iso won't freeze) put it in a bowl or other container. Fill the container with iso so the trim/bud is completely covered. Mix for NO MORE THAN 2 MINUTES. Drain through a coffee filter to remove the green material. The trikes are dissolved into iso. Then evaporate the iso off, using really a heating pad and a fan.

To get the Red coloring, Skuky, ResinRubber (and a limited I) found that exposure to sunlight during evap turns it red. It has to do caratenes (sp?) and UV exposure.

Pretty simple process. If you have any questions just ask.

[Skunky]

QWISO = Quick Wash ISO.
Basically you take some bud or trim, freeze it. Stick the ISO in the freezer as well. After the trim is frozen (iso won't freeze) put it in a bowl or other container. Fill the container with iso so the trim/bud is completely covered. Mix for NO MORE THAN 2 MINUTES. Drain through a coffee filter to remove the green material. The trikes are dissolved into iso. Then evaporate the iso off, using really a heating pad and a fan.

To get the Red coloring, Skuky, ResinRubber (and a limited I) found that exposure to sunlight during evap turns it red. It has to do caratenes (sp?) and UV exposure.

Pretty simple process. If you have any questions just ask.

Here is some of the info I came up with when we were discussing making Red Iso. Also, use 70% iso if you can. The hash you see above was made with 91% but 70% will turn out a little more clean. This batch had no green tint at all really but mainly because the stuff had already leached out during the gumby process. But let it evaporate completely and it will turn back to a more powder/crystalline form.


Yea I really think it has something to do with the carotenoids. They are polar and dissolved in alcohol.

Here are some that are contained in MJ


zeaxanthin is a red pigment and could be responsible. So is ß-cryptoxanthin. I was starting to think it might have something to do with anthocyanin, but if that were the cause I think the hash would look more purple. That and they are water soluble and wouldn't show up in the BHO, and I've seen plenty of red/amber BHO so makes me think the red tinge has to do with the destruction of chlorophyll and the retention of those carotenes giving the red hue.

Alright I did some research on the carotenoids and it seems they are more sensitive to the UV degradation than chlorophyll. But they are in higher abundance at harvest. Though if they are degraded easier I found another possibility. I found that the two carotenoids that I thought might be responsible for the color have a similar color effect as hash. Yellow(blonde) and red. Apparently this two undergo esterfication during ripening to produce the color. Hers the article I found about that.

Coloring power is the main characteristic determining the commercial value of paprika and is directly related with the total content in carotenoid pigments. Apart from total carotenoid content, a higher proportion of red (R) pigments than yellow (Y) ones is considered positive, making the R/Y ratio a direct criterion of quality (Mínguez-Mosquera et al., 1984).

Fruit ripening on the plant takes place gradually, so that depending on the variety, up to three harvests at 7-10-day intervals are necessary. From the agronomic point of view, this means certain disadvantages: lower end-of-harvest fruit quality (Mínguez-Mosquera and Hornero-Méndez, 1994a), greater labor cost, increased risk of disease, etc. Consequently, the grower tends to carry out a single harvest, so that some fruits are left to over-ripen, risking rot, while others do not attain an ideal degree of ripeness. The inevitable result is nonuniformity in the state of ripeness, and thus in the pigment composition, of the fruit harvested. Current work aimed at overcoming this problem is focused on the selection and breeding of varieties having both a clustered flowering and a short ripening cycle that concentrates fruit ripening, making mechanical harvest feasible. These selection characteristics directly affect uniformity of ripeness of the harvested fruit and thus the quality of the end product (Costa, 1980).

Metabolic processes have been reported to take place after fruit harvesting and during the first moments of the drying process to produce paprika. They include transformation of some pigments into others via metabolic pathways operating in the plant but without apparent turnover (Mínguez-Mosquera and Hornero-Méndez, 1994b). Thus, pigments such as capsanthin and capsorubin are synthesized from their precursors antheraxanthin and violaxanthin, respectively, which in turn have been formed sequentially from -carotene, -cryptoxanthin, and zeaxanthin. These processes lead to an increase in the red (R) isochromic pigment fraction (the one mainly giving color to the paprika) but at the cost of the other pigments (the yellow isochromic pigment fraction, Y), including carotenoids with provitamin A value (-carotene and -cryptoxanthin).


The two carotenoids undergo esterfication which requires a secondary alcohol. Isopropyl alcohol is a secondary alcohol. Esterfication allows for the creation of pigment that isn't easily degraded by UV or ozone.

I feel it has more to do with the carotenoids because of the red pigment seen in both alcohol and butane extractions. If something like anthocyanin had anything to do with it the red color would only be seen in the iso wash and not the butane due to it's polarity/solubility.

[Delta-9]

thanks guys that sounds fairly simple:thumbsup:
i always wondered how it turned red. few more weeks im gonna give it a go at harvest time.
also does it matter if the trim is dry or wet?

[Useless]

Wet or dry doesnt matter for iso. Just make sure it's frozen, the iso is ice cold, and you only rinse/wash for 2 mins or less.

[nowherefast]

when i make qwiso myself, i try to keep it to a max of 60 seconds in the iso, sometimes as little as even 30 seconds.


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[Edward Scissorhash]

+1 on the short wash, i do 30-45 seconds max, then strain fast thru a stainless strainer to get the iso off the weed, then filter. Basically the whole wash/strain is under a minute. Comes out light honey.:bongdude:

[Skunky]

+1 on the short wash, i do 30-45 seconds max, then strain fast thru a stainless strainer to get the iso off the weed, then filter. Basically the whole wash/strain is under a minute. Comes out light honey.:bongdude:
I don't shake longer than 1 minute. that's at room temp and gets a blonde product. If you chill the iso and use 70% the wash time can be increased. The colder iso has a lower solubility and the 70% prevents extracting the chlorophyll too fast.

I for sure wouldn't do a 2 minute wash even with 70% unless the iso was chilled, if your solvent is room temp the shorter wash is needed.