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web420
06-06-2005, 05:44 PM
By Bill Mears
CNN Washington Bureau
Monday, June 6, 2005 Posted: 12:05 PM EDT (1605 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court Monday ruled doctors can be blocked from prescribing marijuana for patients suffering from pain caused by cancer or other serious illnesses.

In a 6-3 vote, the justices ruled the Bush administration can block the backyard cultivation of pot for personal use, because such use has broader social and financial implications.

"Congress' power to regulate purely activities that are part of an economic 'class of activities' that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce is firmly established," wrote Justice John Paul Stevens for the majority.

Justices O'Connor, Rehnquist and Thomas dissented. The case took an unusually long time to be resolved, with oral arguments held in November.

The decision means that federal anti-drug laws trump state laws that allow the use of medical marijuana, said CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Ten states have such laws.

"If medical marijuana advocaes want to get their views successfully presented, they have to go to Congress; they can't go to the states, because it's really the federal government that's in charge here," Toobin said.

At issue was the power of federal government to override state laws on use of "patient pot."

The Controlled Substances Act prevents the cultivation and possession of marijuana, even by people who claim personal "medicinal" use. The government argues its overall anti-drug campaign would be undermined by even limited patient exceptions.

The Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) began raids in 2001 against patients using the drug and their caregivers in California, one of 11 states that legalized the use of marijuana for patients under a doctor's care. Among those arrested was Angel Raich, who has brain cancer, and Diane Monson, who grew cannabis in her garden to help alleviate chronic back pain

A federal appeals court concluded use of medical marijuana was non-commercial, and therefore not subject to congressional oversight of "economic enterprise."

But lawyers for the U.S. Justice Department argued to the Supreme Court that homegrown marijuana represented interstate commerce, because the garden patch weed would affect "overall production" of the weed, much of it imported across American borders by well-financed, often violent drug gangs.

Lawyers for the patient countered with the claim that the marijuana was neither bought nor sold. After California's referendum passed in 1996, "cannabis clubs" sprung up across the state to provide marijuana to patients. They were eventually shut down by the state's attorney general.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2001 that anyone distributing medical marijuana could be prosecuted, despite claims their activity was a "medical activity."

The current case considered by the justices dealt with the broader issue of whether marijuana users could be subject to prosecution.

Along with California, nine states have passed laws permitting marijuana use by patients with a doctor's approval: Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Arizona also has a similar law, but no formal program in place to administer prescription pot.

California's Compassionate Use Act permits patients with a doctor's approval to grow, smoke or acquire the drug for "medical needs."

Users include television host Montel Williams, who uses it to ease pain from multiple sclerosis.

Anti-drug activists say Monday's ruling could encourage abuse of drugs deemed by the government to be narcotics.

"It's a handful of people who want to see not just marijuana, but all drugs legalized," said Calvina Fay of the Drug Free America Foundation.

In its hard-line stance in opposition to medical marijuana, the federal government invoked a larger issue. "The trafficking of drugs finances the work of terror, sustaining terrorists," said President Bush in December 2001. Tough enforcement, the government told the justices, "is central to combating illegal drug possession."

Marijuana users, in their defense, argued, "Since September 11, 2001, Defendants [DEA] have terrorized more than 35 Californians because of medical cannabis." In that state, the issue has become a hot political issue this election year.

The case is Gonzales v. Raich, case no. 03-1454.

For more info: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/scotus.medical.marijuana/

earth girl
06-06-2005, 08:27 PM
Yo, grobro!
TV, being an instrument of depression, is something I tend to avoid. But the damn thing grabbed my attention as I passed by, with a shot of pot and pipe. Almost got a whip-lash. So I caught the jist of the report, but not the details.
So now what? Start a campaign to our Federal reps? How do we refute such idiocy as those 'drug free America' maniacs are spouting? How do we prove that homegrown pot is the way to cut the terrorists out of the 'traffic-for-profit' scenario?
eg {8^D is willing to offer her efforts...

Heath_Bogenreif
06-06-2005, 10:15 PM
Kinda silly since this doesnt mean much of anything, nothing changed, business as usual, the feds have always trumped the state, wheres the news? If they think they can suddenly abolish med mj or they think they can go up against the state of cali they have another serious awakening, Cali does what it wants, they always have.

On the other hand, like life, things are what you make of them. Ones instrument of depression is anothers instrument of education.

earth girl
06-07-2005, 01:23 PM
High Heath_,
I should have said: I rarely watch the TV 'newscasts', partly because the news is often too distressing for me to handle. It doesn't take much to overload my sensory perceptions. So I take my news in small bites, by reading, or from the news analysis shows, where it is buffered by the 'experts' disectional recaps. And because it is depressing to see people, supposedly educated in journalism, making their living with the English Language, yet making grammatical errors, pronunciation faux pas, and misusing words. Such as 'decimate', when the correct word is 'devistate'. Or saying 'presently' when they mean 'at present'. And this is from a script! None of my students would have tolerated such slack composition. So I have to wonder, who has been educating these people and their proof readers?
Commercials are mostly insulting to the average intelligence, so it depresses me to realize the marketers are aiming at the largest slice of the population, whos' IQ seems to be about 85.
TV has a great potential as an educational tool, but it is geared only to entertain. What we have learned from TV is that adultery is an accepted part of a glamorous lifestyle. We've learned that money and power can get you the glamor, or anything else you want. We've learned that by exerting yourself to become a master pretender, or by spending your life playing a game, you can have fame and fortune.
There are some great channels on the air these days. I schedual to tape these, so I can temper the overload of data with the pause and rewinds, and fastforward through the commercials.
eg
I appologize for crumpling the soapbox!

rangerdanger
06-07-2005, 03:26 PM
Calif. att'y gen. Lockyear said after the decision nothing has changed. It was illegal under federal law Sun, it's still illegal Tues.
There will be no "crackdown".
The feds know that the majority of people in the U.S. support med-mj; they will continue to do what they have been--to target a few unfortunate individuals to keep the general population in fear of the fed pigs.
If they cracked down, that would be a positive thing, because the public outrage would force U.S. congress to act.
To decrim poss. and allow it in states that have med-mj laws.

So it will continue to be "business as usual".

Heath_Bogenreif
06-07-2005, 09:08 PM
So EG to make up for the bad news programing do you have a VHS tape with a six hour montage of all the Fear Factor eating scenes? ;)

earth girl
06-07-2005, 09:59 PM
Yo, Heath_
Those faked and manipulated shows are a perfect example of the drivel being offered by the station managers as a peek at 'real life'. There could be nothing of _less_ reality than those artificial situations peopled by exibitionists looking for rainbowgold or their 15 minutes, writhing under the pressures of competition and constant surveillance.
I try to get the 8 hour tapes, which can hold a couple of days science, history, and drama.
The 6rs will barely hold a Nascar Cup weekend.

eg {8^D maintaines the brain needs exersize. Watching TV, having all the images provided for you, makes your brain lazy, and starts choking it with plaque.

Heath_Bogenreif
06-08-2005, 05:36 PM
Since I have an edit machine I can make Chris Matthews look like hes eating horse anus while still articulating his political diatribe.

p.s. My new sony VCR gets all the nascar footage in a four hour tape with its new feature called the mullet skipper. ;)

earth girl
06-08-2005, 08:35 PM
Yo!
Can you make it look like he is emerging from the horses' ass?
I guess it's time to go on another strict diet. Save some dough to upgrade our obsolete 'entertainment center'! How many out there who still have a turntable among their electronics? How about 8-tracks? 16mm? All this digital manipulation and computer generated imaging has made me suspicious of anything I see on a screen.
pax cannabis,
eg

Tiberon
06-09-2005, 04:51 AM
you two are crackin me up:roll:


lame decision though :mad:

earth girl
06-09-2005, 02:03 PM
Tiberon?

"lame decision though' :mad:[/QUOTE]

What is your meaning, sir? Which decision? And to whom, among this collection of mentally/emotionally/physically challenged, are you labeling as 'lame'?:confused:
eg {;^p

Heath_Bogenreif
06-09-2005, 04:14 PM
Ouch ... what lactose lovin fool spiked your soy milk with half-n-half? I think Tibs was talking about the supreme court decision on med mj.

And yes, if you and the hubby are still lighting tiki torches for the evenings vaudville stage act then it might be time to upgrade the entertainment system.

But if I had that entertainment system I would be watching the Zapruder film on a loop with a slo-mo on the gourd popper, then beat scratchin' the latest vinal fresh from K-TEL while I got the Best of Bread screaming on the 8-track. Damn, wheres my patchouli oil and bead curtains? ;)

earth girl
06-09-2005, 08:09 PM
We were talkin about antique/retro home entertainment centers and the peculiarities of silly old farts...
Oh man! Bummer... I think I gave those really groovey macrame plant hangers to Salvation Army. And my psychedelic paisley hiphugger bellbottoms(blessing undisguised!). Still have the old ankh and peace signs, still using incense.
eg {;^) wielder of stinging nettles

Heath_Bogenreif
06-09-2005, 09:23 PM
... still using incense.
...


I noticed ... mostly against commercial TV. ;)

Heath_Bogenreif
06-09-2005, 09:26 PM
ps. What spinning on tonights Victrola?

Tiberon
06-10-2005, 05:02 AM
Im sorry EG, I should have clarified.
I was referring to the decision.
Tiberon?

"lame decision though' :mad:

What is your meaning, sir? Which decision? And to whom, among this collection of mentally/emotionally/physically challenged, are you labeling as 'lame'?:confused:
eg {;^p[/QUOTE]

earth girl
06-10-2005, 06:12 AM
I let Victrola go, after my platters suffered a meltdown. I still have some of the music spools that worked on the early models. What I love is our player piano. Anyone for "Buffalo Gals" or Vienna Waltz? Well, it's the only way I'll ever play again...Had to retire clarinet, autoharp and harmonicas as well. 'S okay, most days I feel lucky enough being able to play the radio!
Each of us 7 kids and my amazing mom could play at least 2 different musical instruments: We counted 5 strings, 4 reeds, assorted other winds, an accordian, plus spoons-jug-washboard. We didn't just play, but had to read the notes and compose little ditties for each 'style' according to our abilities. My dad was the radio player...We learned mountain music, folk, pop, jazz, classical, in various combinations. Anyone who didn't have a desired sound for the combo got to be percussion. Amazing mom, like I said. This was the way she taught us discipline and the power of co-operation, to be independent yet adaptable spirits. And kept us too busy to get into trouble. It is now known scientifically that children who learn music do better with the math-sciences.
eg says,"Music is where it's at.."

Heath_Bogenreif
06-10-2005, 05:39 PM
Funny, the Victrola was kinda a joke like the vaudeville thing, I didnt know you had one. I'll take a stab and guess your phonograph has a 78 rpm speed as well? Any acetate copies of anything?

earth girl
06-10-2005, 10:20 PM
Better than I! Of course, I didn't have a life of perpetual shelter/care/admiration. I dare say a coat of polish would be little more than band-aid for my veneer. But I wouldn't mind the rub-down!...hmmm...nope, not at all...
There was a stage in my life when fine antiques piqued my interest.
Then I went digging for 'antiques' over 3,000 years old, and I just got in deeper and deeper,lol. Sold the fancy historical stuff to be able to go far away from far away, on questionable transprtaton, in sometimes marginal accommadations, under semi-extreme conditions, meeting interesting people, eating 'interesting' foods, and avoiding intimate contact with exotic looking critters. Absolute Paradise!! Archaeology is sort of like a 3D jigsaw puzzle, with the parts scattered and buried everywhere. Putting them together in the right part of the big picture is not the only challenge. Each site will only yeild fitting pieces if it is mitigated with care and documented exhaustively. Such a blast!!

Heath, I used to have some recordings in wax and several other media. I got way too into the accessorizing of my antique toys back then.
I prefer now a simple life with few posessions to weigh me down. Infact, I have learned the stuff you aquire begins to _own_you_!
eg {8^D is going looking for a rub-down...Woo-Hoo!

Heath_Bogenreif
06-13-2005, 03:53 PM
So you get a little freaky for the Leaky's?


And its no fun unless you've unearthed some crypo-virus, like the ones that killed off the Incas or something.

earth girl
06-13-2005, 05:49 PM
Yep, although the Leakys were digging at 3 million years, just as upright walking began. It isn't so much archaeology as Anthro-paleontology. I did get to see the original Lucy! As an Antropology teacher, I got a backstage tour of the National Museum at Kenya. (Many of my memories from before I was brained are damaged, some are unrecognizable, scrambled, or hazy, but some of the best ones are still on recall.)

My personal interests focused on the mere prehistorical. The movement of humans from the old world to the new, the hunter-gatherer societies that roamed this continent, and the rise and fall of it's mighty civilizations. Finding out the who, what, when, where, how, and why by digging into ancient garbage dumps and abandoned/destroyed camps and settlements.

Speaking of the Incas, my last dig in Peru turned up an adobe house, just emerging from a giant sanddune, which may be the first known trapezoidal doorway. This wider-at-bottom-than-top shaped opening is thought to be an Incan innovation. Carbon dates of the fireplace suggested 3000-4000 years ago. Another room yeilded the (possibly) earliest know cocaine processing tools, a small stone mortar and pestle, encrusted with lime. There were some charcoal drawings unlike any recorded before, of a small herd of vecuna prancing across one wall. In my opinion, it doesn't get much better...

eg {8^D is now exhausted from digging into her dirty memories, but Thanx, Heath_, I needed that!

Heath_Bogenreif
06-14-2005, 04:20 PM
I doubt my quest would be found in ones lifetime but I imagine somewhere out there is a scroll or parchment with an adhesive on one end with the ancient glyphs that translate to " Kick Me "

Stash
06-14-2005, 08:29 PM
I wanna dig holes and find stuff !