leaf problems at 3 weeks into flowering..

[boerkie]

My plants are in soil and using bio bizz nutes. this pics is at 3 weeks into flowering. My soil takes long to dry out so im thinking root damage and over fert mayb. any help will be appreciated.. flushed plants a week ago with some mg and pure water, but no signs of improvement
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1136

notice the red leaf stem
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1135

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1134

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1133

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1132

Group shot
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1137

mybiggest problem is that i'm scared to flush cauze my soil takes long to dry out and thats goin to cauze more damage to my roots and my leaves are gonna get even more droopy.. any input guys?:eek:

[boerkie]

the last pic was at 2 weeks into flowering and i flushed them that same day and gave bio bizz bloom, grow and liquid compost. havnt given them anything since then, my pots are only starting to dry out now..

[Delta-9]

you say the buckets take forever to dry out! thats not to good you want a soil mixture were you can soak them and within a few days its dry and ready for more so the roots get more Oxygen.
maybe there over watered and under or over feed. what kind of soil are you using? i noticed the leaf tips are curling and burnt so they must be getting a good dose of nutes? do you use any Cal-Mag or Magical ect. i use it threw the whole grow i swear by it. stops allot of deficiency's before they take hold for me its a must in my nute line-up. and after the last grow i think i will always use the Bush Master every grow now that stuff works wonders. :blazed:
makes me want to try there "Purple Max" and "Gravity" see if they work just as well :icon_smil

[boerkie]

Thanx for the reply dude:thumbsup: I used indoor potting soil mixed with 10% perlite.. They do get a healthy dose of nutes, I give them 2ml per litre bloom, 1ml per litre grow and 1ml per litre liquid compost which is an additive, supposed to improve soil condition and keep ph balanced. I dont use any cal mag or magical. i have the same problem as Mcfarmer, cant get hold of it in our country and shipping costs is about 100$ FOR A 30$ BOTTLE... and i must say my temps gets about 35degrees in my tent during the day and then 20deg at night. grow space limits me to using my attic..

[DefCon3]

Hey there boerkie...
what's your drainage like? when you flushed was there a good flow through your soil?

DC3 :spy:

[Ghetto Grower]

yea that sucks dealing with those problems. been there done that if it is your only option then what can ya do but give it a try.

[McFarmer]

are you using superiour peat moss as potting soil? its a bit loose and after watering it compact very tightly i used it once with not enough perlight and i had the same result slow drying pots drupy leaves etc try mixing a cocobrick and adding more perlight if you insist on using that soil it worked for me also are you still using the wick system? i think that peat moss stuff compacts almost to tightly cutting off oxygen and retaining to much water!

[Useless]

You have multiple deficiencies going on there. N and K for sure, looks like some Fe issues too.

I personally would check two things right away.
1) PH. Multiple deficiencies like that are usually PH related.

2) Root Rot. Could very well be pythium setting in. You say your medium stays fairly wet, and with room temps hitting 35 C (95 F) there is a very good chance you have pythium. Do you have any way you can check the soil temps during peak heat? And also, might want to just cut/dig out a small piece of root mass from the most effected plants to inspect. (If you can, just lift the whole plant out of the container like you are transplanting it)


That's what I'd be looking at immediately.

Hope that helps.

[boerkie]

are you using superiour peat moss as potting soil? its a bit loose and after watering it compact very tightly i used it once with not enough perlight and i had the same result slow drying pots drupy leaves etc try mixing a cocobrick and adding more perlight if you insist on using that soil it worked for me also are you still using the wick system? i think that peat moss stuff compacts almost to tightly cutting off oxygen and retaining to much water!

Yo defcon. when i flush it takes a while for my water to start draining out the bottom..

MCfarmer i'm using normal potting soil but it is alot like the superior peat moss, it also gets lank compact after a few waterings so i just try to loosen the top few inches before each watering.. nope not doing the wick system this time. just strait watering from the top and thats it. definitely going to get some coco coir and more perlite for my next run... oxygen is not getting to my roots.

[boerkie]

You have multiple deficiencies going on there. N and K for sure, looks like some Fe issues too.

I personally would check two things right away.
1) PH. Multiple deficiencies like that are usually PH related.

2) Root Rot. Could very well be pythium setting in. You say your medium stays fairly wet, and with room temps hitting 35 C (95 F) there is a very good chance you have pythium. Do you have any way you can check the soil temps during peak heat? And also, might want to just cut/dig out a small piece of root mass from the most effected plants to inspect. (If you can, just lift the whole plant out of the container like you are transplanting it)Hope that helps.



That's what I'd be looking at immediately.

ph is in the right range.. i also suspect deficiensies, but the leaf tips thats curling up and dying makes me think they get too much nutes.. the soil temps is much hotter than my ambient room temps thats for sure. round about 35-37 degrees:eek:
my guess was pythium setting in because it thrives in high temps and low oxygen levels.. i'll try and take the plant out of her pot and take a pic if i can. All this just because i was skimping on my medium.. damn stupid.

Mcfarmer what do you use for potting medium now? do you use a perlite peatmoss and coco mix?

I was thinking 50/50 perlite coco and then just feed nutes from day 1

[Delta-9]

best bet is a soiless mix!!! its just Peat, Perilite, and vermiculite its great. :icon_smil

[boerkie]

:thumbsup: Dude i'm definitely going that route. Getting my new mix next week soon! Then i'll start to post on my new ventures from start to finish. Going to use bio-bizz nutes with that mix again, but it seems from previous grows that bio bizz shows signs of mg deficiencies about 2 to 3 weeks into flowering.. Got some ghe 3 part nutes aswell that i'm going to test with the soiless mix, but since i cant test the ppm mixing the nutes might be a problem.:animbong::animbong::animbong:

[McFarmer]

some epsom salts and blackstrap unsulphated mollases seems to help me cause i cant get any cal-mag here give it a bash!
i also get the mg def around week 3 but the salt normally sorts it just don't over do it cause it will make your grow medium to salty!

[DefCon3]

Hey ther boerkie...
you might also look at adding some H2O2 = Hydrogen Peroxide, this will give some extra oxygen to roots...its cheap stuff that you can get from a chemist/pharmacy.

DC3 :spy:

[boerkie]

some epsom salts and blackstrap unsulphated mollases seems to help me cause i cant get any cal-mag here give it a bash!
i also get the mg def around week 3 but the salt normally sorts it just don't over do it cause it will make your grow medium to salty!

awe dude and how much of those malasses do i add? whats it for? as far as i know its edible..:D

Hey ther boerkie...
you might also look at adding some H2O2 = Hydrogen Peroxide, this will give some extra oxygen to roots...its cheap stuff that you can get from a chemist/pharmacy.

DC3 :spy:

thanx DC3 and if i mix it how much will i add?:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[McFarmer]

i use bout a table spoon of mollases per gallon but it has to be unsalphated!
mollases has iron calcium mg and all sorts of goodies in it that the plants like!
H202 ive never used but i believe its just a few drops per gallon!

[boerkie]

Thanx Mc! will try that anything that will cheer the ladys up!:lite:

[Delta-9]

first of you need the 3% H2O2 anything stronger will cause problems.
some use 1/2 cup to 1 cup per 6 gallons, some use 4tbls. per gallon some use 6tbls, but i would start low... they say 500ppm of the 3% concentrate H2O2

[boerkie]

thanks D9. I moved the girls downstairs now so my temps stay between 24deg and 28deg constant. they already look much better! I leached my soil again today with 1/4 strength nutes so hopefully the salt buildup flushed away now.:blaze:

[boerkie]

okey so here are my girls. It's been 4 days since i moved them to colder temps and after a good flush they already looking healthier to me. Mayb just because i want them to.lol but pics never did any harm.

no more droopy-ness
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1142

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1141

still the same gurly
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1140

second plants droopy-ness is gone
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1139

the one with the hectic yellow leafs, atleast shes putting on some more bud/hairs
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=101&pictureid=1138

[Bigmike]

great job they do look better :thumbsup::thumbsup: glad you got it figured out !!

[McFarmer]

daar is hy nou my maat! trek jou kop uit jou hol en raak waker dan sal jou plante miskien eendag soos myne lyk!:blaze:

[boerkie]

thanx Bigmike. Dude now theres a new thing my leafs are full of tiny white spots and little black things thats crawling on them. Any ideas how i Can treat this its getting worse every our, i cushed most of them with my fingers this morning. what else can go wrong.. ffs:animbong:

[McFarmer]

spider mites brother!!!!!!!! fucken hate those things!!! the whit spots are called stiples i think and they from the spider mite scratching the leave and sucking out the juices leaving behind a little spot if not controlled they will take over your plants quickly!
go to a agristore wat ive used and works is ludwihgs spidermite spray for roses its all organic stuff and it works well other wise try ludwhigs garlic and neem mix its also great stuff and organic just makes everything stink of garlic so i wouldn't use it on the buds if they very far along! but try that product it works cuz and is available at almost any nursery in south africa:thumbsup:
it also kills thrips and whiteflys! don't see it as something gone wrong see it as a lesson learnt cause next time u see a little spot or something crawl on your plant you will beable to identify the problem and take necessary measures! hope it helps! good luck with your battle cause thats wat its gonna be!

[DefCon3]

what else can go wrong.. ffs

Spidermites...sounds like you got em :eek: Get onto this asap...do a bit of searching and see what you can do...Neem Oil would be a start

DC3 :spy:

[DefCon3]

Haha...McFarmer must be a faster typer than me and posted first.

Spidermites have been my No.1 pest...very hard to get rid off once you got them. I finally found, at a hydro store, a locally made product that just wiped them out for around 6mths then after another spray no problems for the last year or so :thumbsup:
but they only sell it in NZ... shame.

DC3 :spy:

[McFarmer]

Haha...McFarmer must be a faster typer than me and posted first.

Spidermites have been my No.1 pest...very hard to get rid off once you got them. I finally found, at a hydro store, a locally made product that just wiped them out for around 6mths then after another spray no problems for the last year or so :thumbsup:
but they only sell it in NZ... shame.

DC3 :spy:

it sounds like a good product! i hate spider mites and have also had a few run ins with those little creatures im sure they from hell!

[boerkie]

spider mites brother!!!!!!!! fucken hate those things!!! the whit spots are called stiples i think and they from the spider mite scratching the leave and sucking out the juices leaving behind a little spot if not controlled they will take over your plants quickly!
go to a agristore wat ive used and works is ludwihgs spidermite spray for roses its all organic stuff and it works well other wise try ludwhigs garlic and neem mix its also great stuff and organic just makes everything stink of garlic so i wouldn't use it on the buds if they very far along! but try that product it works cuz and is available at almost any nursery in south africa:thumbsup:
it also kills thrips and whiteflys! don't see it as something gone wrong see it as a lesson learnt cause next time u see a little spot or something crawl on your plant you will beable to identify the problem and take necessary measures! hope it helps! good luck with your battle cause thats wat its gonna be!

I just declared war on them dude. thanx for the advice and help. theres always a first for everything when growing hey.. makes it so much more interesting. will post a pic of my problem tonight. getting the products today still cant take chances. thanx bro!:thumbsup::thumbsup::icon_smil

Spidermites...sounds like you got em :eek: Get onto this asap...do a bit of searching and see what you can do...Neem Oil would be a start

DC3 :spy:

seems like i def got the mites. thanks for the quick reply. fukers came from my outdoor garden i think..:thumbsup:

[Bigmike]

hey another good product is Floramite it is a little pricey but works and idk what u guys think of lady bugs but I keep them in my room and ever sence I did I have not had a problem where I live we have so many I just go out on my porch and there will be 12 or more every day lol so I throw them in my room :D but for a bad case I would use Floramite ... :thumbsup::thumbsup: hope this helps and kill them suckers for all the growers in the world !! lol :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[boerkie]

:thumbsup: I just got spedermite spray from effekto and that ludwigs garlic oil mix thing it says it can kill a mite so tonight my fellow breeders and inbreeders i declare war on those crawlers for all of us's sake!

I cant get floramite anywhere close to where i'm living mike... effekto products seem to be in abbundance:starwars::fireball:

[Bigmike]

oh ok .. yeah I seem to keep forgetting alot of you dont live in the usa lol good luck and be sure to update us on the war :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[boerkie]

yes it sucks to deal with these problems. has not done that, if your only option, then what can you do but give it a try.
Damn straight dude. Have to!:blaze:

MITES

Okay so here is the pics of the infested lady... first up
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=103&pictureid=1143

Spots on leaf
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=103&pictureid=1144

Look closely to see the culprits {redmites}
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=103&pictureid=1145

http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=103&pictureid=1146

Just a close-up of my bud structure:D
http://www.420genetics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=103&pictureid=1147

Hope thats it for now, treated my plants with Ludwigs neem and garlic spray with pyrethrum in aswell so hopefully they will evacuate after a few explosions:starwars::uzi: