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Old 01-31-2009, 04:03 AM
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I cheat.

http://www.gardensalive.com/default.asp

I get a free book from these ppl and it comes with 25 dollar coupon and I buy 25lbs of WC for like 12 bucks.

I did the worm thing in Cali out in the yard but would not use that indoors or bring a worm bin indoors either.LOL

Looking good Don but its just not for me anymore. HEHEHEHE Tap

Here is what to do.

http://www.gardensalive.com/catalog_request_qas.asp

http://www.gardensalive.com/product.asp?pn=8401
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Old 01-31-2009, 12:48 PM
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Good find radic. But I don't agree completely with the stoners part.

Imho worms are able to transmute elements during their processing. And you need to add basalt meal or similar stuff for that and to keep the bin in a balanced ph range and the worms healthy.


I currently do feed processed trimmings and fallen off leaves for security issues. But unless you don't harvest heaps of cannabis with lots of waste matter to get rid off, you won't get enough castings, another important factor that matters here is variety or better the lack off.

Worms ingest gritty stuff (like some herbivores) that alters the consistency on the output as well (minerals).
All points in the dotted list are based on my personal findings.

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As an addition, I have noticed the following findings:
  • variety, you don't like the same stuff in heaps, over and over, so do worms
  • higly appreciated: Melon or cantaloupe scraps, herbivore manure, cucumber, stinging nettles and yes, the often mentioned coffe grinds
  • not too much coffe grinds
  • too much decaying matter heats the bin up => worms are cooked
  • if it smells, there is too much waste, covering with bedding, or/and sprinkling basalt meal on top covers smells
  • worms love yoghurt in small amounts
  • I avoid onions, garlic and raw potato skins
  • frozen scraps are faster digested by the worms, freezing the potato skins when raw is a good idea
  • vacuum cleaner fluff can be digested, is however considered too toxic
  • avoid too much acid to build up (coffe grinds, orange peels, ect...)
  • basalt meal ups the ph
  • Cooked waste is almost as good as frozen, if there is no or only few salt in it
  • worms love cardboard and shredded newspaper
  • I never thought that peanut shells would take over 12 month to degrade - they however add structure to the bin
  • Avocado skins take forever as well
  • watch and learn, sloth isn't a sin here

Worm farms can and often are - homemade, so no instruction for that included here. I have as well seen ppl. killing their worms with a proper wormfarm and instruction

Despite all that the pictures pretty much look like that what I'm doing with my smaller bin.



Having said that, wormfarming is easy and fun - cheating, however, is allowed, Tap

After the current exams, I'm building my third bin, my smaller bin was started almost two years ago btw.


And eggshells should not be ground to powder completely btw. They should still possess a gritty, flaky structure.
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:04 AM
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yes i hafe love dat
and i feel your plants hafe love it too

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worms are able to transmute elements during their processing. And you need to add basalt meal or similar stuff for that and to keep the bin in a balanced ph range and the worms healthy.
Yes Basalt, that is mostly uesd as a supplement---> a small addition to the formula
a supplement does not change the ballance of the forumla if it remains below 10% of the total feed into the worm farm.
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more than 10% will change the ballance of the nutirents in the fromula
yo
not that, that is a bad ting, to change the ballance.
this will only improve the scope of the ballance to cover a broad spectrem of different species of plants.
irey

but if you want to specilize
and make cannabis specific nutrient solutions
than stay with the 10% mark and you will be safe
irey
suplements are a must
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heaps of cannabis with lots of waste matter to get rid off, you won't get enough castings
True
for me its a presonal ting
i self medicate with 1g of hash oil per day to manage chronic back pain
7g/week
i process
7oz of herb to get that every week
so
strictly after i do a hash oil extrect,
i feed that waste into my wormfarm
well
it has taken 5 years to fill the bottom chamber with pure cannabis worm carstings
how ever
i have harvested 4lt of liquid cannabis ferts every week since i first started
and that is what i use most in my Hydro setups and in the garden to this day
irey
i bought my first worm farm in 1995
Yo
i have been trying to marry hydro and worm frams into a system called Vermiponics to make 1 complete system like aquaponics for some time now
seen
in the natural cycle plants drop leaves mostly straight down to from a mulch layer underneath the drip line of the plant.
worms and microbes then breakdown the mulch layer and return the nutirents to the soil, which are imeadatley available to the roots as food for the plant.

now the leaves are made up of a certain ballance of nutirents
seen
if the scientest wants ot know the perfict fertlizer for cannabis or any plant then they must annalize the leaf and copy that formular
seen
well i dont need to know the specific formular to mimic it
cause if the worms get strictly cannabis waist
than thats all they got to work with
than they must produce the perfict forumlar to grow the spercific strain of cannabis i am growing
and so the worms will do it for yah just like nature planed it for that reason
Gotta love dat

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Old 02-01-2009, 05:42 PM
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Sorry, I didn't want to sound like a scholar. Now I get it. I do process waste material like fallen off leaves, or remainings from bhang making. I wouldn't feed too much bhang remainings though, cause they contain a certain ammount of milk. The leaves that simply fall off are collected and then soaked prior to feeding them to the worms. Sometimes even soaked an frozen to be more slurpy when thawed.
How are your leaves treated from oil making and how do the worms cope with them? I could imagine the population builds up more slowly, because there is less variation of the diet.
This is really interesting. You use the liquid almost exclusively, so what kind of hydro are you doing? Hempy buckets, coco, dwc?

That's a great addition to the thread.

Anyway I thing it still might be better to feed the leaves to herbivores and then process the poop
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:51 AM
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You use the liquid almost exclusively
yes
it works extreamly well

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How are your leaves treated from oil making
the solvents i use are
butain, ethanol and hempseed oil
i wait till it is all out
leave it in the sun for a couple of days
then add it very dry and crisp straight into the worm farm
then add water

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how do the worms cope with them
they love it
see

happy & healthy

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I could imagine the population builds up more slowly
the population is govened by the total food supply
7oz/wk

and thc extraction is a must
because THC is a vermicide
too much will spin the worms out
they wont eat and try to escape the farm

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so what kind of hydro are you doing?
coco rulez in my systems both indoor and out
i am a big microbe fan

tho my indoor system is down right now
and up for upgrades

i grow strictly for i self
to treat chronic back pain
my herb is heavy body stone
indica. kush mostly
it works best for i


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Anyway I thing it still might be better to feed the leaves to herbivores and then process the poop
datz what the wormz do
if you cant extract the THC first that that might help
or even better part compost the herb first
at least start the fermentation process of to destroy any remaining THC

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Old 02-15-2009, 08:20 PM
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Love the greenhouse, keep us posted about your findings radic, that's a great addition!

I recently dug in the dirt and removed about 2 L as a sample. I'm feeding on the left hand side and take the castings out on the right side. What you see are some pears which are about to get slurpy, lol
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:16 PM
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awesome thread, have to check back and read through it a lot better, been interested in doing this for some time, just didnt know how it was done

good info great help
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:47 PM
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Have a look at this, great design and easy to harvest. I was thinking about a similar plan for myself (coffe filter design style) , but couldn't imagine an appropriate bag. Now the bottom opening of this design is pure genius.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Worm...ng_and_easy_s/
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:33 PM
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:24 AM
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not working here either. but this is a good thread so is your other worm thread lots of good info there thanks for sharing
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